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October 1, 2014

GOP Drops Food Stamps From Farm Bill

Updated 12:15 p.m. | House Republican leaders have decided to drop food stamps from the farm bill and are whipping the farm-only portion of the bill for a vote that will likely come this week, according to a GOP leadership aide.

The nutrition portion of the bill would be dealt with later.

The Rules Committee is expected to post the text Tuesday night and meet Wednesday, the aide said.

The “new” farm bill would be the bill as it finished on the floor before the break, with the addition of a repeal of the 1949 law that requires the passage or extension of a farm bill.

Rory Cooper, a spokesman for Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va., said leadership has not yet decided to schedule a vote.

“There has been no decision made to schedule a vote on a farm bill, in any form,” he said in a statement to CQ Roll Call.

House Agriculture Chairman Frank D. Lucas said Tuesday morning that he would support splitting the farm bill — as long as it can pass the House.

“I’m willing to do what it takes to get a farm bill done,” Lucas said as he exited a Republican Conference meeting Tuesday morning. “If that means doing it unconventionally, maybe we got to give it a try.”

Asked whether it was fair to say he supports splitting the farm bill, the Oklahoma Republican replied: “It’s fair to say that Chairman Lucas is at a point where he has got to look outside the box, and splitting the farm bill is certainly outside the traditional box.”

Whether the House splits food stamps off of the farm bill has been the subject of intense speculation. Many conservatives demanded far deeper cuts to food stamps than the House bill included.

House Armed Services Chairman Howard “Buck” McKeon, R-Calif., had said earlier Tuesday that leadership was still trying to figure out whether they have the votes to split the bill.

“They’re going to whip it and find out,” he said.

Asked whether he thought Republicans would split the bill, Rep. Rob Woodall, R-Ga., said “that’s where folks are leaning, for pete’s sake.”

Pressed on whether he thought there were 218 votes for a split farm bill, Woodall said he thought there were.

“There is something to be said for voting on one issue at a time,” he said.

On Monday, according to a National Review Online story, Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va., scolded Republican chairmen in a closed-door meeting for not voting for the farm bill when it suffered a surprise defeat, 195-234, in June.

Cantor has privately been pushing to separate the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, more commonly known as food stamps, from the farm provisions. According to the Congressional Budget Office, SNAP accounts for $743.9 billion of the estimated $972.3 billion cost of the House bill over the next 10 years.

“Cantor believes the best path now is to move forward with a bill that has 218 Republican votes since Democrats proved they cannot be trusted to work in good faith, and that path may be splitting up the bill,” a GOP aide told CQ Roll Call two weeks ago.

Daniel Newhauser contributed to this report.

  • hippie1367

    Lucas said the ability to reward corporate donors while pissing on the poor would brighten his day considerably.

  • energydonk

    Unable to pass any bill, Republicans capitulate to the Tea Party wing once again. Like the inevitable train wreck; you know the outcome but can’t help but watch. Sad what Boehner has become.

  • differentdrummer

    Democratic bad faith, really? Who changed the bill *after* counting the Dem votes?

    Memo to Cantor: This bloody chaos is what happens when YOU break a deal.

  • dccajun

    Hard to see how this is not a “take care of Archer Daniels Midland and let the poor eat cake” play.

  • vetvoter

    So the GOP is going to approve subsidies to corporate farmers and then try to cut subsidies for poor people. How they think this is going to win them votes is beyond me. Looks like the crazy southern goobers really are running the party.

    • agm

      First, there are very few corporate farms there are family that farm as a corporation for liability purposes. Second, the farm bill has had what you refer to as “subsidies” taken away. What is in the farm bill is a safety net so that if prices drop below production costs, there is some assistance. And since I think you probably eat and wear clothes, you want that to be there!!!!!!

  • James

    It was just one week ago that I was grocery shopping and the
    family with 9 kids was in the store shopping. They had a cart full of meat and
    I could see 6 boxes of pop tarts on the very top of the cart. I bought only what I needed and could afford
    but as luck would have it I ended up right behind this family with 9 kids. On
    the counter next to their groceries they had 4 different kinds of beer and a
    couple bottles of wine. The clerk rang
    up her groceries which was $97.00 which she paid for with her food stamp card. Then she took out a stack of money that was 2
    inches thick. She went through this stack look for her lowest bill which was a
    $50.00. She paid for the beer and wine with the $50.00 bill. I checked out what
    little I had and went to the parking lot. There was this family putting the
    items in a new SUV. Now if she had that
    kind of money why was she on food stamps?

    I have to check prices and watch every dime I spend and we
    give food stamps to people that carry around more money that I get in a month. I have personally seen this with two separate
    families at two different times in two different stores. So this is rule and
    not the exception.

    • Wynstone

      The welfare queen myth must be kept alive at all costs, eh? I am calling you a liar and even if you’re not (which I very much doubt), you are not using the proper evidence to support your claim. Many users of SNAP are working people, but their wages are too low to support them fully. The statistics are available to make a more informed decision on the necessity of these programs.

      http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/

      • James

        Well let me assure that I am not lying and this is no myth.
        The only ones that want you to believe that these people don’t cheat are the
        cheaters themselves. I would like to ask you just what evidence do you think is
        needed here? Should I have grabbed the money from her hand and held that as
        evidence? I did not have a video camera
        to record all of this, but let me assure you that it was just as I said. If you
        want evidence, there has been numerous criminal cases filed on welfare food
        stamp abuse and a lot were written up in the news papers. Are you calling all
        of them liars too? This makes me think
        the perhaps you just might be doing a little of this scaming too. Look at
        my reply to Joyce M. but I doubt that this
        will matter because I think you are wanting something free also.

        • Wynstone

          If the standard for elimination of a program is anecdotal evidence of abuse, that would eliminate every government program in existence. There is abuse at the top and the bottom, but your focus is myopically at the bottom. Why is that? The rich are picking your pocket through tax cheating much more than a poor person getting some extra help with food.

          • James

            I did not choose to start at the bottom, I was there I saw
            it and I wrote on it. Had I seen a rich
            man doing it (apparently with the amount of money she had she certainly was not
            poor) I would have written on that. What
            I saw I know to be true as to the rich scamming the people, it is possible, but
            I have not seen that yet, and I do not speculate on it.

          • molosky

            Haven’t you heard about that $600 toilet seat? I think we can all agree that is sufficient basis to get rid of the Department of Defense once and for all.

          • Wynstone

            Of course we should eliminate DoD! Obama is ordering tanks to use against the citizenry along with his drones! We the People are already armed sufficiently to protect the homeland so it’s about time to knock the armed forces off the federal teat.

    • Sheli B.

      Stop with the BS please!!!!! Nobody with 9 kids has that kind of money – a 2″ wad in hand – food stamps or not, unless they are millionaires!!. Besides food, it takes a LOT of money to clothe, shoe and even buy toothpaste for 9 kids !! plus with that kind of a wad of money they would have a Costco Card anyway where they can buy in bulk and have even more money for wine & beer!! Like I said, stop with the BS!!!!!

      • James

        ShellB I am not mistaken I saw the 2 inch stack of
        bills. I could even see that the top one was a hundred dollar bill. But here is
        my answer to Joyce. It is true every word of it. As for your concept of getting
        a Costco card there is no such store around here. She does not care she is
        getting it for free. She is not interested in getting the most for the taxpayer’s
        money it is free to her if she went a place like Costco she would have to pay
        for the membership I believe and that would be money out of her pocket and not
        the taxpayer’s.

        Well Joyce I was trying
        to keep the post short. I know they were all her kids because all through the
        store they would pick up item and say “Mom” get this. As I said, I was standing right beside her
        and she asked the clerk “how much money is left on my card.” I am quite sure that the care originally had
        a lot more than the $97.00. She apparently had used it before. This is how they get away with ripping off
        the system. People that really need the help cannot get enough because of people
        like her. If you could have seen the stack of bills she pulled out of her purse
        you would have been amazed. I am not one
        to state things that I did not see. This happened not once but twice in my presence.
        This was a cheating family that wanted to get something for nothing. I also did
        not mention that I saw both parents and all but the very youngest child with
        their own cell phone. Do you still think they should be on food stamps? Do you
        think that I having worked since I was 12 should have to watch what I buy and
        pay taxes to feed her and her 9 kids while she walks around with more money
        than I get in a month?

        I can tell you stories
        about people coming to our local church for food. A lot of these people are thankful for whatever
        they can get, while others gripe because they want something else. At the church some items are brought in by local
        people for the Church to give out. These items are extra from what the food
        cupboard gives. Some people will take
        only one of these items and leave some for other; while I have seen others take
        the whole container full of items. No
        one objects to helping someone that has something happen beyond his control,
        but we sure as hell object to people making a way of life out of it.

    • Joyce M

      I know you are mistaken because I shop for a family of three every week. We can’t live off $97.00 worth of food. Our food bill is between $200-300 a week. How do you know all the kids belong to the person who was shopping? How do you know the snap card belonged to the person shopping? I have shopped for an elderly neighbor when she was sick and paid for her items with her snap card.

      • James

        Well Joyce I was trying
        to keep the post short. I know they were all her kids because all through the
        store they would pick up item and say “Mom” get this. As I said, I was standing right beside her
        and she asked the clerk “how much money is left on my card.” I am quite sure that the care originally had
        a lot more than the $97.00. She apparently had used it before. This is how they get away with ripping off
        the system. People that really need the help cannot get enough because of people
        like her. If you could have seen the stack of bills she pulled out of her purse
        you would have been amazed. I am not one
        to state things that I did not see. This happened not once but twice in my presence.
        This was a cheating family that wanted to get something for nothing. I also did
        not mention that I saw both parents and all but the very youngest child with
        their own cell phone. Do you still think they should be on food stamps? Do you
        think that I having worked since I was 12 should have to watch what I buy and
        pay taxes to feed her and her 9 kids while she walks around with more money
        than I get in a month?

        I can tell you stories
        about people coming to our local church for food. A lot of these people are thankful for whatever
        they can get, while others gripe because they want something else. At the church some items are brought in by local
        people for the Church to give out. These items are extra from what the food
        cupboard gives. Some people will take
        only one of these items and leave some for other; while I have seen others take
        the whole container full of items. No
        one objects to helping someone that has something happen beyond his control,
        but we sure as hell object to people making a way of life out of it.

        • Wynstone

          The formatting issue you are having with your post is common with “copy and paste” in disqus. Did you have this reply pre-loaded on another document?

          • James

            No I did not. I wrote the reply and I did write in my word
            processor so that I could make the words large enough for me to clearly see. (
            I am having some eye problems.) Then I would copy and paste it into the small
            area for posting. That changes nothing. Everything was as I said.

          • Wynstone

            You didn’t have eye problems when you were scoping out that lady’s wallet. You could make out all the bills just fine.

          • James

            The picture of Ben Franklin and the 100 on the bill is much
            larger that the size 9 font on the computer let along that I was standing right
            next to her almost shoulder to shoulder. It is apparent that you are not much
            on reasoning, or you would realize there are a lot of people that only have eye
            trouble when reading. However, my eye problem is only a recent temporary problem.
            Bet you never thought of that either. I
            will bet you are the product of the public school system since the 1970”s.

          • Wynstone

            You said her stack of bills was two inches thick and her smallest was a $50 so you would have us believe she is walking around with 9 kids and $10,000 in cash. Does this sound believable to you?

          • http://politicalwire.com/ mikemiller56

            Folding money, Wyn, the real wad is at home keeping a table leg strait. And not just meat, she bot veal and lobster and quail eggs for the benedict.

          • Wynstone

            The “temporary” eye problems are a side effect of drugs.

          • jimsepa

            James, I’m not sure if your observation that the abuse of food stamps is the norm and not the exception, but your point should be well-taken by Republicans and Democrats alike. If only we could end the abuse of programs meant to help people in real need, then there would be enough to go around.

          • Peg

            Yup, because we all know how much veal and lobster you can buy with 80 bucks. Enough to fill the whole cart.

          • molosky

            He forgot to mention that she was a very successful crack dealer.

          • James

            There are a lot of things that do not sound believable, but
            they are real. I do not know if that was
            he only $50.00 bill only that she thumbed through a lot before she pulled out
            the $50.00. I felt the whole concept of a woman with 9 kids on welfare with
            that much cash (whether it was 10,000 dollars or not I do not know) was
            unbelievable, but I saw it and I believe it now. Maybe you should think a
            little about what would she do with the money, put it in the bank? Does welfare
            check bank accounts? Should she leave it at home? Don’t you think other people
            know what she is doing and might try to steal it if she left it at home? If I could not put it in the bank, I might
            carry it around too. I would be afraid
            to bury it in the back yard. I do know of a gas station that carried thousands
            with him. He opened the station before the banks opened and he needed to money
            to operate. He had a safe and he always left it unlocked. That way a thief
            could look and see that there was no money in it.

        • Joyce M

          In an effort to save money for a small farm, we have gone on an all cash system. I also carry large sums of money to pay bills, buy groceries, etc. The first time I bought groceries with cash, the cashier just stood there, waiting for me to use a credit or debit card. She told me that most people don’t use cash anymore at the checkout. There are three foster kids that call my dad–dad. They are not his biological children, but he cares for them as if they are. I don’t begrudge anyone food, especially children. The consequences of starvation will cost more in the future, ie health issues, brain damage. If you are free from public assistance, then count yourself lucky. Government programs change with whoever is in power. Here in Texas, after 3 months, most people have to work for their food stamps. AFDC is very stingy. A housing voucher can take years to obtain. I would be more concerned about someone giving birth to nine children, than someone getting foodstamps to feed them. Do you know your taxes also go to feed people in other countries, who refuse birth control, yet I don’t hear many Americans complaining about that. Your taxes also are used to kill people far away who haven’t done anything to us. Hundreds of billions of dollars go to subsidies for Fortune 500 companies. I saw where someone in Congress had earmarked money for a tea cup museum. If I were you, I would focus on population control issues, instead of food stamp issues. You should not let what seems like envy eat you up.

          • James

            Joyce,

            It use to be that way here that you had to work for food
            stamps, but most of them are too lazy to do any work so as the TV show
            documented, they go to an old store front and set around playing games on their
            phones and I pads and the welfare claims that as their work. Also, it use to be that you could only be on
            welfare for about 2 years then you had to go off of it. Then you could come back for another period,
            but that has all changed. I just found
            out that in Michigan, they are sending out messages on how to get food stamps
            written Arabic. Some people here have been on welfare for generations. It is
            their way of life. Several years ago I
            met a truck drive that was from Russia. He told me that when he came over here
            no one wanted to hire him because he was Russian. They told him to go on
            welfare. He would not do it. He worked anywhere he could odd jobs McDonalds and
            as many as three of the jobs at one time. People noticed that he was a worker
            and the hired him. His mother still lives in Russia and is retired. She has a
            little two room apartment and his helped by the government. He said that in
            Russia you can quit a job but if you are not working at another job in a few
            weeks they come to you and give you a slip of paper that tells you to report to
            work at this place tomorrow. If you do not they come back and take you and put
            you in jail. The call it a parasite law.
            Maybe we need something like that here.

          • Wynstone

            It’s story time with James. More stuff completely unverifiable by anyone.

          • Jason riffe

            I live in haywood county north carolina. Im disabled have been since i was 13. My wife works 9 hour shifts 5 days a week at walmart and gets payed about 300 every two weeks i get 725$ we have three daughters 2 4 and 8. The 8 year old is my step daughter. She has her cell phone and me and our wife has ours ( prepaid trackphones we pay for out of our tax money) we have no cable and no internet at our home our children have three toys each i have four outfits i cycle thru each week my wife has 6 because she has to have uniforms for work we dont have nothing fancy at all as a matter of fact we do not own a computer and we have a 27 inch magnavox that was made back in 93 and a vcr. Our rent where we live is 575 a month our electric runs about 89 in the summer and 120-130 in the winter our water/sewer bill is almost 100$ insurance on our 2001 tracker is another 80$ and our car payment is 325$ a month. We are on food stamps and you wanna know how much we get for a family of five? 273$ a month on the 11th of every month.. didnt get them tgis month for some odd reason though.. was told maybe in august though.. im goimg to say this and i hope the republicans read it .. thouse of you willing to go along with letting children starve will have hell unleashed upon you before my children go hungry and starve to death ill kill, steal even go as far as desroing everything you hold dear to keep tgeir bellies full.. and so will everyone else!

          • James

            Jason

            I understand what you are saying and like I have posted
            before. No one objects to helping those that have fell upon hard times through
            no fault of their own. It is the fact that these people cheating on food stamps
            make it impossible to give all the help needed for those that really need it.

            You say you have been disabled since you were 13. Disabled
            can mean a lot of things. It can mean that you are truly unable to work or it
            could mean that there are some things you could do to earn a pay check even a
            small one.

            You have 3 kids one might simply ask why have children if
            you cannot afford to feed, clothe, and care for them. I am not saying that you should not have children;
            I am saying that the tax payer should not have to pay for them. If the children were born at a time that you
            could afford them then that is something else and of course they are and should
            be in the family and get help. There are families that have been on welfare for
            generations. It has become a way of life. They have a baby ever year because it
            means more welfare. Currently there are (I believe 13) states that have more
            people on welfare than are working. Those working are paying ever increasing
            taxes to support those on welfare. Do you think that it is right that a family
            that works has to give part of their money to someone that does not work? The working family member has to do without
            things they should be able to have to support the welfare.

            Doing a quick check of what you finances are, I would say
            that you do not pay any Federal income tax so I assume that you pay for your
            cell phones with the FICA money that should be withheld from your wife’s pay
            check.

            I do not know what kind of a car you drive, but I am looking
            at a Mercedes advertisement and you can lease a 2013 C300 4 matic Sport
            Mercedes for $339.00 or you can get a 2013 Kiva for $157.00 paying $325 a month
            for a 2001 tracker was not a wise choice.

            As for the Republicans stripping the Food stamp from the
            farm bill, it was the correct thing to do. They and the vast majority of the
            people both Democrats and Republicans want to eliminate the cheating from the Welfare
            and food stamp program. Once this is done then there will be a lot more money
            available for those that really need it.

            Now as for your threats. “ill kill,
            steal even go as far as desroing everything you hold dear to keep tgeir bellies
            full.. and so will everyone else!. “ If you can do this you can certainly work.

            By the way just so you will know I only
            have $1279.00 a month in income and I do not get a dime in welfare or food
            stamps nor do I want too. I have never
            been on the public dole in my entire life. I have worked as many as 3 jobs at a
            time to get by…

          • Jason riffe

            First off yes i could care for my childten before my epilepsy got too outta control and it was before that witch i had my children.. as for your rants about cars thats with superior credit. As for your commet on the phone ahe does pay taxes kust like everyone else she prepays for our phones every time she gets her taxes and a parent can do great things when its a life or death situation. You probably are a single old grupy man who has probably never had a relationshipt or anyone to love you thats why you dont have kids and can live on your income.. alot of times i go hungry just so my kids can eat off what snap we get. You are a horrible person to say children should starve just so you dont have to pay so much in taxes HELLO you will still be paying the same ammount it will just go to the government

          • James

            Jason Riffe

            You are wrong again.

            You need to learn to read. First as I said if the children
            were born at a time you could afford them and through no fault of your own you
            hit upon hard times, then of course they are part of the family and need to be
            taken care of. However if you are like a lot of people on welfare and have
            babies in order to get more welfare then the kids should be taken away and placed with a family to
            break that chain of being on welfare generation after generation. Second, I said several times that food stamp
            cheating is what is making it so that people that really need it cannot get
            enough to help much.

            Third, I was married and I had children and now have two
            grand children. My wife however had medical problems most of her life, and as I
            said, I worked two and sometimes 3 jobs to pay the bills and never got a dime
            from any social service. She died 2 years ago.

            Fifth my comment about not paying Federal taxes was if your
            income is what you say with a family that big you should not make enough to
            have to pay income tax. In fact you
            might be eligible for earned income credit. I do not know who does your taxes,
            but you should inquire. Sixth, I do not
            know how bad your epilepsy
            is but there are medical procedures that can eliminate the seizures in some
            cases. Also there is medication to reduce the seizures. One of the 36 people
            that worked for me had epilepsy and had a seizure one day on the job. I helped
            him through the seizure and took him to the hospital. He thought that he would
            be fired. I told him no he was not fired, in fact I would like to have a few
            more like him. He was a dam good worker. He told me that he quit taking medication and
            I told him if he ever did that again without his doctor’s OK I would fire him. He
            was able to get his seizures under control and returned to work for me.

            Finally I did not say that I could not live on my income, In fact I do live on it and I do have to pay both
            Federal and State income tax. Not a lot
            now but when I was working I had to pay a hell of a lot. That is why I have
            such a small amount of income now. There was not a lot to save after paying to
            keep someone else’s family there was nothing left for a few niceties that I
            would have liked and could have had if not paying for someone else.

          • Jason riffe

            Also might i add that poor people get money at tax time..are yiu sure that wasnt the money you saw?

    • Beeker

      One of interesting anecdote is that you based your assessment of the entire SNAP program on one family shopping that day. I’ve seen my share of some full time employees (this is at Target, mind you, where I used to work three years ago but that can include other chain like Walmart) using their SNAP card to buy lunch.
      What you don’t realize that most states have their own rules as what kind of assets to qualify for SNAP and having a SUV or other kinds of vehicle is allowed as the needs for transportation.

    • David Kron

      shit_that_didnt_happen.txt

      • James

        You can deny all you want, but it did happen not once but twice with two different families , They depend on your not believing because if every one saw what I saw, they would yell for the end of food stamps and welfare.

        • EdinNJ

          Dude, enough already. You are obviously a liar.

          • James

            NO dude!
            I am not a liar. You are just to dumb to know the difference.

        • Jeff Hall

          Two different families with 9(!!!) kids???

          Give me a break!

          • James

            Jeff

            I only saw 3 kids with the other family. I do not know if
            they had more at home or not. I spoke only of the family with the 9 kids to
            keep the posting short. I also left out that all but the youngest of the nine
            had cell phones. Also, I did not see
            them at the same store or the same day.
            The woman with the nine kids was the most recent, and after seeing it
            twice in my little town, I can imagine how much of it is going on.

  • sameolbs

    Good! Including food stamps in the farm bill is deceptive.

  • splined

    Any new farm bill needs to address several issues. Any mandated return to past century obsolete 49 farm bill legislation needs to be repealed. Food stamps are different issue that should be addressed in separate legislation. Any new farm bill needs to be combined with existing 2nd farm bill authorizing federal crop insurance. To have 2 farm bills authorizing crop insurance subsidy issues is absurd.

  • mother of 3

    As so many people of this country I can see by the comments that you are pretty much clueless as to how the “give me” government dependent people operate. This group gives the social assistant citizens a bad rap. Here in our county a family of 6 recieves $900 a month in food stamps. I think most would agree this is more than an average family spends. Ask any grocery store owner what tricks these families use to get the cash… First you go and buy whatever your heart desires, the best steaks, hoagies, baked goods, kool-aid, prepared foods. Heaven forbid you do any cooking. Then you take back to the store items you purchased that you don’t want, but knowlingly(intentionaly) bought. So now you get cash and you can again buy anything you want beer, cigs, lottery tickets. This happens everyday, as witnessed by grocery store owners. Some have even gone to the extent as to purchase cases of water with their card them out to the parking lot dump out the water and return the bottles for the nickle deposit(eye witnessed). Makes lots of sense doesn’t it.
    So don’t give me the corporate farmer crap or trash the government support the farmers recieve(after all cheap food policy is what Washington wants). Be thankful that you have food to eat. It’s the ability this country has to feed its’ self that makes us strong. Our military keeps us safe, our food(farmers) make us strong and oil keeps us running. So get off your political correct, uninformed, farmer bashing, oil company bashing butt and get to work. Get involved with strengthening and growing our country and if you don’t like it here go live somewhere else.

    • Jason riffe

      Where i live your car payment isnt considered a neednand you can ony buy foods from the raw no precooked items from like the deli at all sodas were banned and so has everything that is made in the store no premade cakes cookies chicken nothing.. but i heard that people can go to blimpe and subway in georgia and use their food stamp card… bullshit huh

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