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April 17, 2014

GOP Proposes New Supercommittee to Resolve Impasse (Updated)

Updated 12:12 p.m. | House Republicans will bring to the floor a bill to create a bipartisan, bicameral committee to address the current fiscal impasse that has shut down much of the government and threatens a debt default.

A GOP leadership aide said the committee wouldn’t just handle the continuing resolution needed to fund the government. It would have broader jurisdiction similar to the 2011 Joint Committee on Deficit Reduction, also known as the supercommittee, and would cover the debt limit and other fiscal issues.

A GOP appropriations aide also described the working group as similar to the supercommittee, but on a smaller scale, and without instructions.

“I want to have a conversation,” said Speaker John A. Boehner, R-Ohio. “I’m not drawing lines in the sand. I’m requesting to sit down to resolve our differences.”

Boehner said, “There’s no boundaries here. There’s nothing on the table, there’s nothing off the table. I’m trying to do everything I can to bring people together and have a conversation.”

There is no timetable for the group — formally dubbed the Bicameral Working Group on Deficit Reduction and Economic Growth — to act. It would have 20 members — 10 each from the House and the Senate. Unlike the original supercommittee, it would not be empowered with fast-track rules for consideration of its recommendations on the House and Senate floors.

Separately, House Republicans will propose a bill to pay essential employees who are on the job now. The two bills would merge and then be sent to the Senate. Rep. Tom Cole, R-Okla., said the bill would not pay furloughed workers, nor would it reopen the government.

The question for Senate Democrats is whether they continue their no-negotiation stand and refuse to pay workers who are on the job now.

Democrats up until now have resisted piecemeal fixes except a notable exception for paying soldiers. Senate Democrats and the White House have demanded that Boehner bring a “clean” short-term CR to reopen the government to the floor for a vote before negotiating a longer-term budget deal.

Indeed, President Barack Obama called Boehner Tuesday and reiterated he will not negotiate until Republicans reopen the government and take the threat of a default off the table.

Senate Budget Chairwoman Patty Murray, D-Wash., who co-chaired the supercommittee, dismissed the idea.
“The supercommittee got us to where we are today,” Murray said. “Let’s work this out in the right way. You know, go to budget conference or however we’re going to do this, but the most important thing we can do is open up our government, not keep our country hostage, pay our bills and talk.”

And at a Democratic leadership press conference on Tuesday morning, Caucus Chairman Xavier Becerra, D-Calif., groaned and shook his head when asked by CQ Roll Call what he thought of the Republican proposal to create a working group that bears a resemblance to the supercommittee.

“Having served as a member of the so-called supercommittee, there was nothing super about it,” Becerra said. “It was just punting, it’s another way of getting out of doing what you should and quite honestly what was borne from that supercommittee was sequester.

“There is no reason why we just can’t get our work done now,” he said.

“We don’t need to have another committee created,” Caucus Vice-Chairman Joseph Crowley, D-N.Y., agreed. “Appoint conferees to the budget.”

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said on the Senate floor there is an easy solution if Republicans want to negotiate.

“All Speaker Boehner has to do is be reasonable,” he said. “Allow a vote in the House of Representatives on the Senate’s clean continuing resolution — a bill the speaker proposed in the first place. It will pass. The government will reopen. Then we can get back to the negotiating table and work out our budget disagreements. We can even start talking about ways to make the Affordable Care Act work better. And we can even get back to the business of legislating.”

Steven T. Dennis contributed to this report.

  • Michael

    Here’s a better idea: just pass a clean CR.

    • EWS

      Funny how the suicide caucus keeps coming up with new methods to try and show they are not the suicide caucus. Here’s an idea. Pass a clean CR and Debt limit increase and then let the senate and house budgets go to conference. I mean isn’t that how it’s supposed to work? That would take some moderate Republicans to stop the Republican fillibuster in the senate which is the TRUE reason for a lack of negotiation on the budget. Facts are inconvienient things for radical secessionists though.

    • jimbeau11

      These people are immune to better ideas.

      • Bryan Taylor

        Which ones

    • Layla

      Not until the people are offered the same one year waiver that big business and the unions received from the President and Pelosi. This new law has reduced people to only working 29 hours a week. I don’t care if you don’t believe that, IT’S HAPPENING. People should never be facing fines in hard times.

      How did Washington grow so out of touch with the people? None of you deserve to be reelected.

      • Dubbie5

        No, businesses reducing workers’ hours was a trend before the ACA was ever a thing. Please look up history and statistics sometime, not just Fox News talking points.

        • Layla

          You arrogant little progressive. I’m LIVING IT. My entire town is living it.

          • EWS

            Is that before you take off the tinfoil or after

          • Teri

            Same here. It really annoys me that people are in such denial–either that or they are just flat out lying about this program. It’s true that the economy was bad before ACA but this program is making things worse.

          • Dubbie5

            Oh, really. And my friends weren’t having their hours cut well before the ACA because of prohibitive health costs, before Obama even took office.

            Oh wait, they were.

          • guvhog

            No, they weren’t.

          • Dubbie5

            …yes, they were. Headlines like “health care train wreck” “medical costs skyrocketing” etc weren’t uncommon in the mid-00s.

            I know you conservatives like living in your invented reality but do try to remember that facts exist every now and then.

        • guvhog

          FALSE. In addition, thousands and thousands of people have lost their jobs as a direct result of OBamacare.

          • Dubbie5

            False. Private hiring is up, kid.

      • EWS

        Try understanding the law before you post comments that show your complete ignorance of it.

        • sikologik

          Your shrill little voice is popping through the computer screen.

          • EWS

            Do you actually have acomment or do you just like to call people names. Your ignorance is deafening

        • Layla

          You know your charm is what draws people to you and your party. Keep it up, please.

          • EWS

            nice lack of factual response. LAst time I checked my party won the popular vote.

        • guvhog

          I DO understand the law and he is correct.

    • sikologik

      for a better idea, that sure is stupid.

  • jimbeau11

    This makes absolutely no sense. They’re just setting up a supercommittee with no timetable to talk about things and not pass a stopgap CR/debt limit increase 9 days before default and 7 days into a government shutdown?

    Am I understanding this right?

    • Layla

      Yes, you are. First, the President bows out and hands it to Sen. Reid and now both sides are trying to pass the buck.

      It’s going to be an interesting election in 2014. I’m betting there will be a LOT of new people in office, BOTH SIDES.

      • Dubbie5

        As Reid and the POTUS should be.

        You don’t negotiate with hostage takers. The moment you start negotiating with the bully asking for your lunch money, you’ve ensured he’s going to keep hitting you up for it every time.

        • Teri

          why use such extreme language? “hostage takers”, “bully”…if Obama will talk to leaders in China and Iran, surely he can talk to those in Congress.

        • Teri

          Why use extreme language? “hostage takers”, “bully”. If Obama can talk to leaders from nations that hate us, he can surely talk to members of Congress.

          • Dubbie5

            Because threatening our nation’s economy – the world’s economy – because you can’t accomplish your legislative goals through the actual legislative process + winning elections is the very definition of hostage taking.

            Do you know what a compromise is? It’s when you give up something you don’t want in order to get something you do. Republicans have agreed that A.) the gov’t needs to be funded and B.) the debt limit needs to be raised for the good of our nation. Ergo, this is not something “they don’t want,” it’s something they’ve admitted the nation needs.

            What are they giving up, Teri? What are they offering? Are they offering to end the harmful sequester, or pass immigration reform, or enact new laws in order to restrict the POTUS’ signature achievement? No, they’re demanding that congressional D’s and the POTUS defund Obamacare… in order to get something they’ve all admitted needs to happen anyway.

            That’s the very definition of hostage taking.

            Back in the day when R’s were progressive and D’s the unmoving conservatives, Lincoln had something to say regarding the charges that he would be responsible for the Union’s dissolution if he did not negotiate on his position regarding slavery:

            “A highwayman holds a pistol to my ear, and mutters through his teeth, ‘Stand and deliver, or I shall kill you, and then you will be a murderer!’”

            That should make you think.

          • grgreene

            That is an obvious lie. The Republican party is hell-bent on stonewalling him. It does not have any common interest with him about anything.

      • Bryan Taylor

        I am hoping, we will get dem’s in the house and senate and a repub for prez. That will stop this insanity for a few years. We know, the repub won’t rule by executive order. We don’t need a king in a representive republic

        • Layla

          I just want somebody human and with experience and leadership abilities. This man has so divided this country. That’s going to be his legacy, whether he wants it or not.

          • EWS

            because he is the black guy from Kenya with moderate republican ideas like obamacare lol!!

          • guvhog

            OBama a Moderate??? Not hardly. The man is a Left Wing Liberal.

          • EWS

            Only in your tin foil brain. Obamacare was conceived by the heritage foundation

        • EWS

          You will be hoping for about 16 years to come or more depending on an actual default or not.

      • EWS

        Dream on. Your party will lose seats. Something that rarely happens in a midterm.

        • sikologik

          You idiot, she didn’t even identify with a party.

          • EWS

            no need to call me names. Just reading her posts makes it no hard to figure out

          • grgreene

            you idiot, she didn’t NEED to state an affiliation specifically. Regardless of what she does or doesn’t “identify with”, it remains abundantly clear which side she’s on.

        • Layla

          I’d check the 2010 results if I were you, when you LOST THE HOUSE. Record number of seats lost.

          • EWS

            Still living in 2010 like the house huh?? How is that working out for them exactly? Sure playing on fear and an all white electorate did you a world of good in 2012 when you could not get the senate and Obama was re-elected by 5 million votes and +300 in the electoral college.

          • Tired O’Libs

            Problem is other than the loons…he wont get the Hispanics or blacks out to vote!

          • guvhog

            It’s actually working quite well and Has OBama over a barrel.

          • grgreene

            It has THE WHOLE COUNTRY over a barrel, including at least two TEA PARTY MEMBER OF CONGRESS who originally said they would NOT forgo their pay during the shutdown, and then were forced into forgoing it after all, from the sheer human outcry.

    • Bryan Taylor

      There is no default. Just trying to scare us. Stand firm.

      • EWS

        Sure that’s why the bond market is going crazy at the moment. Just lose your standing in the world as the reserve currency because one party suffers obama deranagement syndrome and are the least active congress in history.

        • Bryan Taylor

          Stand for what is right, not money. There is nothin wrong, in God’s eye’s, with having money but, the love of money will lead to your destruction. I want money to help others.

          • EWS

            Until the next Great Depression caused by a political party’s unwilligness to accept a law passed by both houses and upheld by the supreme court hits your pocket.

          • Tired O’Libs

            If that’s the case who the hell is the president to decide what parts of the law , passed by both chambers, and upheld by the supreme court he can delay and not delay! Its all or nothing not what President Cry Baby decides!

          • EWS

            No actually it’s your party who refuses to cooperate and make the law better by making fixes to it which is normal when it comes to legislation. Unfortunately you are the crybabys threatening to blow up the economy if you don’t gee your way

          • iamhungry

            Unfortunately the economy still runs on money, not God’s love.

      • Im#2Itryhardr

        Agree. Treasury decides whether to default; or fund administrative programs first; with revenues (read taxes)

        • Wuthie

          We have a 16 trillion dollar debt. If we had enough money to pay all our bills, we wouldn’t need congress to vote to let the Treasury borrow money for the bills they have already approved.

      • guvhog

        Well said.

      • barracuda43

        Exactly. Plenty of money coming in to coffers to pay the debt.

        • grgreene

          Not everything that HAS to be paid is “debt”. Good grief. Everything you are contractually obligated to pay is an obligation on which YOU CAN default.

          • RRdemocrat

            Plenty of tax revenue coming in to make the interest payment on the debt. That will stave off default. The only way we will default is if Obama violates the constitution and federal law by choosing not to make that interest payment.

            He has no authority to stop SS checks from going out. The federal gov’t is required to pay back those “lock box” IOUs until the program goes TU in 2038, unless reformed.

          • EWS

            Tell that to the markets. Default by another name.

          • Valley Forge

            Other than the debt there is no ” contract” obligating Congress. They can unilaterally change any program or defund any program they like. It is not default to cap spending on, say, the much abused SS disability program.

      • Wuthie

        That’s what they are both doing, standing firm.

        There can and will be a default if both parties stand firm.

  • hippie1367

    Wow another chance for GOPers to not negotiate.

    • Layla

      You say this after Obama hands the reigns to Reid yesterday? Seriously????? The President has an empty schedule for the next two weeks and doesn’t have time for this?

      Bet he’s playing golf again, on the military’s dime. He’s too cheap to even buy a membership at Army Navy like most other leaders.

      The military must make him nervous…

      • EWS

        Since when Has the republicans negotiated anything. How about allowing a budget go to conference and doing their job?? Why are they fillerbustering the senate budget so it WONT go to conference. Are they afraid to negotitate??? How many days did your Bush go golfing? How many vacations did he take while he invaded Iraq on a credit card. Spare me your Obama Derangement syndrome

        • Layla

          Bush stopped the golf, the entertaining and the personal travel when he saw Americans suffering.

          Bush had some class.

          • EWS

            Oh so after flying over katrina he gave up golf?? You are really lost I’m afraid.

      • hippie1367

        You are too ignorant to even comment since you think the president has a place in congressional negotiations….I notice you don’t care the House kept its private gym open you hypocrite.

        • barracuda43

          Obama kept his golf course open. Whats your point numb nuts!

          • hippie1367

            Which course would that be? One on a military base that also didn’t close? Is barack the only one who uses the course? Yeah I thought that would shut you up.

  • thereasonableprogressive

    Another super committee?! Republicans really have run out of ideas. How about this for a plan? GOP, do your job, pass a clean CR, raise the debt ceiling, reopen the government, and THEN negotiate.

    • sikologik

      stated another way, “GOP, give up all of your leverage, and then negotiate.”

  • KenH

    Senator Reid lambasted the idea of raising the national debt ceiling in 2006 when it was $7 trillion less. The debt ceiling should only be raised with a firm, unbreakable plan in place to balance the federal budget within 5 years.

    • Bryan Taylor

      Already been done. Was not followed.

  • vicki

    just say NO. this never goes well for the Dems. That’s how we got the sequester. STAND YOUR GROUND. dont cave. they will overwhelm you and you will wind up giving in. DONT grab defeat from the hands of VICTORY again!!!!!

  • wildchick

    Gotta love TPM’s picture and title on this whole thing: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/house-gop-s-next-move-zombie-supercommittee

  • Common_Sense_says

    what a crock… hey, here’s a simple idea – pass a clean bill, and bring it up for a vote….

    • tpaine1

      How do you define a “clean bill??” One that has $700,000,000,000 in new debt??

  • Cynthia Gurin

    I have a much better idea. TAKE A DAMN VOTE.

    • tpaine1

      They have. All the various appropriations save one have passed the House and are awaiting action in the Senate. All the Democrat led Senate has to do is vote on them.

      • Cynthia Gurin

        “All but ONE”. Give me a break.

  • bennettc

    so it’s a committee that has no power and no timetable to make recommedations “someday” to people that will ignore them.

    Sounds like a function of Congress. I’m all for it.

  • Bryan Taylor

    I do not agree with the House aways but, they are doing their job.. Obamacare is wrong. We need less government, not more.

    • EWS

      So try winning the Senate and the Presidency. Stop the extortion

      • Layla

        You may be surprised how things turn out in 2014. Doesn’t help that many who are upset at premiums are former supporters of the administration.

        I’d look for repeat of the 2010 routing, if I were you. The American people have nothing left to loose because of you.

        • EWS

          Maybe you should rely on more than Faux news for your information. I am quite sure you believed those unskewed polls in 2012 showing Romney the winner too. Fact is that in all the states that set up exchanges (CA is the largest) the premuims have been much lower than even the CBO predicted. No routing going on I’m afraid but you keep clutching at your straws

          • Tired O’Libs
          • EWS

            I am surprised you did not post a word net daily URL while you were at it. Just as factual as this site

          • guvhog

            I never thought Romney would win. Moderate Centralist Republicans are no longer capable of winning the Presidency. The next GOP Presidential nominee will be a Libertarian Leaning Conservative and he will win..

          • EWS

            I hope rand Paul is your nominee. It will make Goldwater 64 look like a picnic.

          • barracuda43

            Liar!

          • EWS

            Now there’s an intelligent response. Must be another factless faux news watcher!!!

      • Russ

        Stupid is as stupid does…

        Try looking threw the weeds and see the forest..
        2020 CBO says national debt will be 21 Trillion
        Ave. interest on debt (40 year aver.) 5.33%
        Annual interest payment in 2020: $1.119 Trillion
        Total income tax receipts in 2020: 1 Trillion
        CAN YOU SAY BANKRUPT

        • EWS

          And your point is what. That republicans and Democrats like to spend money?? That is a projection by the way. Does not take into account savings or future taxes. IF you care about debt so much you shouldn’t vote Republican. They ran up most of it. Facts are inconveinient things. Look it up.

          • barracuda43

            Obama ran up more then all presidents combined.

          • EWS

            More hyperbole. No facts.

          • grgreene
          • grgreene

            A lot of the debt that is accruing under Obama is accruing because of laws passed by Bush and the Republican Congress BEFORE we got back in in 2006.

            http://www.connectthedotsusa.com/images/FavSlides/FedBudget/DeficitDrivers.jpg

          • AnybodRecognizeMyCountryLately

            Why is it a problem when reckless progressive bush runs up 5 trillion in 8 years and not when Obama runs up 6 trillion in 5 years?

          • EWS

            So bush is a progressive. Man you really are confused

          • AnybodRecognizeMyCountryLately

            I’m telling you, I try to follow politicians and they say one thing today another the next day, I just don’t know which day to believe them, sorry i’m confused, however I think it’s them that confuse me, or am I naive?

          • EWS

            Ok. I will make it simple. Ever see the godfather? Well john boehner is Vito corleone and the tea party is Luca Brazi
            Obama is the bandleader. Vito assures the bandleader that he is going to make him an offer he can’t refuse. Sign the paper or Luca will make sure his brains are all over the page. That is the republican view of negotiation.

          • AnybodRecognizeMyCountryLately

            Sounds good, we have a deal

          • EWS

            Ok. Too funny. We can agree to disagree. At least you make it interesting.

          • AnybodRecognizeMyCountryLately

            Nice talking to you too, keep it funny and have fun. Don’t take things to seriously and let your instinct guide you.

          • tpaine1

            Last time the federal budget was “balanced” was ’95-’99 by the Gingrich/Dole led Congress. It produced “full employment” and roaring GDP for SIX years.
            And yes, Bill Clinton closed the government down twice fighting against it, but now takes credit for it!! Go figure.

          • EWS

            Yeah he actually signed it into law. Go figure. Then your boy bush gave it all away to the 1% and bailed out all his banker friends.

          • tpaine1

            I never tire of reminding Democrats that it is the CONGRESS that “controls the nation’s purse strings.” YOUR Democrat Party was “in charge” when The Great Recession hit not mine.

          • EWS

            And you must have been living under a rock to make such an uninformed statement. Your party is a homophobic racist joke. If we do default, it will be toast that is if we are aren’t thanks to a bunch of reckless loons

          • tpaine1

            And you can ALWAYS tell when a Democrat has lost the argument. They immediately start hurling sophomoric insults.
            “A new AP-GFK polls finds that Barack Obama’s job approval rating has plummeted to 37%. The President’s disapproval rating is up to 53%.”
            “Whoops, time to invite the House GOP into the White House for a chat.”

          • grgreene

            http://www.newrepublic.com/blog/jonathan-chait/76709/who-created-the-1990s-surplus-clinton-or-the-gop

            The Republicans DID NOT WANT a surplus during this period. THEY ADVOCATED TAX CUTS, AS OPPOSED to keeping revenue high enough to produce the surplus.

          • EWS

            Yeah so they could then put the Iraq war on a credit card. Republicans are such stewards of responsible spending

          • jeffwarren2

            What was the top tax rate? 39.6% from the GREATESrT BUDGET IN WORLD HISTORY: the 1993 budget passed on party lines which WAS THE REASON for 22 million jobs being created and the 4 years of surpluses.

          • AnybodRecognizeMyCountryLately

            The problem with republican spending is they wasted a ton of money removing the wrong Hussein

          • EWS

            Racist much? Yeah that secret Kenyan Muslim who kicked your party’s but twice!!

          • AnybodRecognizeMyCountryLately

            No secret kiddo,

            Obama states in his autobiography he is the son of an Arab father and a white mother, white Arabs rule.

            Read the book, or ask Soros
            of course you can make up your facts as you want

          • EWS

            Not at all. Republicans voted a clean debt hike like 18 times under bush. I read the book. Pretty sad that it was your only takeaway. She was a white American mother. His father was Muslim. So why does that make him one exactly. I didn’t know religion was part of your genes. Like maybe some babies have a catholic gene or someone like you born with a stupid gene. Go figure

          • AnybodRecognizeMyCountryLately

            You are putting words in my mouth, I did not say that, he did. he said his father was Arab, he then elaborated to say he was Muslim.
            Regarding the 18 hike’s it was four and all had strings attacked, go back and read the bills.
            Look i’m not hear to argue, I’m just following his words and find myself confused, sorry

            I’m also confused why you called me racist.

          • EWS

            I think you need to go look it up. I also think you need to read the book again. Arabs are a tribe. Muslim refers to one’s religion. Obama never calls himself a Muslim. Coptic Christians are also Arabs. You can look that up while you are researching the debt limit and how bush and his republican congress spent money like a drunken sailor.

          • EWS

            Actually Reagan raised it 18 times. Bush 7. My bad

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_United_States_debt-ceiling_increases

          • AnybodRecognizeMyCountryLately

            no worries, we are still screwed, either way

          • AnybodRecognizeMyCountryLately

            Again your facts are wrong, Republicans did not spend like drunken sailors, they spent like irresponsible unpatriotic politicians, selling out or children and grandchildren, read Obama’s senate speech in 06, man was he on the mark.

            I’m not going to argue about the Arab/Muslim thing either, he said he was the son of an Arab Father and a white mother, I can care less about his religion, If he’s religious or not, I simply don’t care nor does he care about mine.

            So that makes him a white Arab or do you believe otherwise?

          • Nancy_Newton

            Fathers whether they are present or absent are role models, especially for young men. Obama idolized his muslim anticolonialist father. Children whose fathers are absent from their lives build them up in their minds to be something they probably are not.

            Why does the white house exclude Christianity and Christian symbolism from from “Christ”-mas trees? Why haven’t the Obama’s found themselves another church since they left Chicago?

            Watch that movie “2016 Obama’s America”. The author of the book it is based on is from India. His experiences in coming to America are a lot like Obama’s experiences only he found his way into the Reagan administration so he has a more conservative way of looking at anticolonialism which is as rampant in India as it is in Kenya.

          • EWS

            There is so much wrong with your statement and the racism and fear of the other permeates your comments.
            It would be a waste of time to argue with a hateful zealot.
            Last time I checked Obama personally lit the Xmas tree.
            That movie was a joke and propaganda at best. Guess your next movie is the Manchurian candidate. I feel sorry for you and your hatred

          • Nancy_Newton

            I don’t hate anyone, and Dinesh Desouza didn’t display hatred toward Obama, either. He made light of the backgrounds he and Obama came from. Their shared experiences and their differences of opinion.

            My father was absent from my life when I was a youngster. I was a child of the sixties just like the president. It took me a long time to get over my father leaving us. It is an experience that helps me understand why Obama admires his father so much that he named his book after him even though he only met him the one time when he was ten years old.

            A lot of what is in the movie is based on what Obama himself wrote in his book “Dreams from my father”.

            The movie is probably more factual than the picture of Obama’s upbringing we were given during his 2008 presidential convention. That campaign narrative was actually more propaganda than truth, and unfortunatley the country fell for it and now must pay the price.

          • EWS

            By the way Christianity is not the state religion of the us and never was

          • Nancy_Newton

            I never said it was, but “Christ”-mas is a Christian holiday. Why remove references to Christ? The Obama’s are the first “first” family to do so. Why?

        • grgreene

          Funny, the government has been running A SURPLUS SINCE JUNE. The deficit for Fiscal 2013 came in UNDER $600billion, which NObody previously expected. These forecasts into 2020 are absurd. Things change too fast for them to be meaningful.

          • AnybodRecognizeMyCountryLately

            You Said “the government has been running A SURPLUS SINCE JUNE. The deficit for Fiscal 2013 came in UNDER $600 billion”

            if the shortfall is 600 billion how much is the surplus?

            Man talk about low information voters, voting 16 times

            Stop embarrassing yourself, dude

            Eat some peas and inflate the buses tires, you may be able to vote more times, before the polls close.

      • guvhog

        That isn’t how the Government was designed by the Founders to work. It’s working just the way they envisioned it.

        • EWS

          If you think that’s true then you need another hs civics class. Last time extortion was tried it was called nullification and It started a civil war. Maybe that’s what you want

      • barracuda43

        Read your constitution Chump before you mouth off all your lies!

        • EWS

          I think you need to read it first. Start with congress shall pay all enumerated debts

      • macheath327

        and try winning the House fairly instead of gerrymandering all the seats and then suppressing the votes of your opponents.

        • EWS

          Really. Project much?

      • tpaine1

        And we will win the Senate next year and you can kiss “the largest tax increase in history” – the ObamaCare Tax – goodbye so why all the fuss??

        • EWS

          Yeah. Just like you were gonna in 2012. How did that workout. I think your shutdown will shutdown your senate chances as well

          • Nancy_Newton

            It would have worked out better for the country if the Obama controlled IRS hadn’t targeted the tea party and if Candy Crowley hadn’t “helped” poor baby Obama by lying about Benghazi in the second debate.

            Obama won, but it wasn’t because of his ability to debate or his ability to lead. It was a victory born of lying and cheating, and tearing down the Romney family by spending about 400 Million dollars on negative advertising during the primary period when Romney was not able to respond to the lies that were being spread about him.

            Also, 95% of the time the incumbent wins.

        • grgreene

          Uh, Obama will still be President after you win the Senate next year, so you will not be able to change any of the tax-related parts of the Affordable Care Act.

          • AnybodRecognizeMyCountryLately

            Ya think we can have him stay pass 2016?

      • AnybodRecognizeMyCountryLately

        You misspelled your name, it’s O not E

        • EWS

          It’s not my name. At least I can spell and make factual statements

    • grgreene

      They are NOT doing their job. There IS NOT *JACK* that they OR YOU
      *Can* do about Obamacare. This is just messing everything else up out of sheer spite.

  • Russ

    Try looking threw the weeds and see the forest..
    2020 CBO says national debt will be 21 Trillion
    Ave. interest on debt (40 year aver.) 5.33%
    Annual interest payment in 2020: $1.119 Trillion
    Total income tax receipts in 2020: 1 Trillion
    CAN YOU SAY BANKRUPT

  • Russ

    Trust me, When the BOND market figures out that 110% of you countries Income tax has to just pay your Interest on the Debt……the interest rate on your bonds will not be the 40 year Ave of 5.33%…..it will be probably in the 7% range…

    • EWS

      we have been hearing this since Reagan. Hmmm was’nt he the first president to run large deficits short of World War II. In fact I thought the debt crisis was supposed to hit in 2010?? What happened?

      • Russ

        The nation Debt during Reagan 1988 was 2.5 trillion
        5.33% x 2.5T = $133 Billion in interest payment
        Today is a different story,
        5.33% x 21 T (2020) = $1.119 Trillion in interest payments
        When Obama took office we had $9.5 Trillion in debt
        5.33% x 9.5 T = $506 Billion in interest payment
        If you think this is OK than something is wrong!

        • tpaine1

          What you’re saying is correct, but Democrats don’t do “numbers” just “feelings.”
          A better way to say it is: IT’S UNSUSTAINABLE UNLESS YOU WANT THE USA TO LOOK LIKE DETROIT.

  • realista

    After Boehner puts Clean Budget Bill on House floor….. And Passes…….
    ( Last time was in 2011 that Boehner said I am Not Talking to President again on Budget.), Now, Bohner requires a ”’ Conversation about trimming Deficit ” ?

    If So, Democrats PROPOSE To TRIM Deficit By:
    1. Repeal ALL Bush Tax Cuts, 2. No Oil subsidies, 3. No Big Agriculture subsidies,
    4,. No US Ethanol subsidy , 5. Carbon Tax for Coal , 6.Carried Interest on Investment Income Treated as Regular Income, 7. Put $ 40 Billion back taken from SNAP food program given to Big Agriculture subsidies. +++ To Be added….. 8, 9, and 10 !

    • tpaine1

      How about we just eliminate the Income Tax altogether and go to a national sales tax on everything but “necessities.” The money “circulates” instead of going into the black hole that is government; it eliminates the IRS AND politicians can’t use it to extort money!!

      • EWS

        And the fairies will sprinkle us with pixie dust and everything will be just fine. Let us know when you wake up from the acid trip

  • bscook111

    Hang in there Boney. No chickenshit gestures and worry more about the mainstream republican crony machine beating the GOP than about Obie and the lib dem fools. Talk to Cruz. He’s got it figured out.

    • tpaine1

      You ALWAYS know when a Democrat has lost the argument. They start throwing profanity laced insults. It’s a SURE SIGN they’ve lost.

    • macheath327

      Yeah, Ted Cruz has got it figured out. Really? What universe are you living in? What fools. It would be funny if you weren’t taking the country over the cliff with you.

  • Ettore Greco

    It is not possible anymore to conceive World events as if they were
    not all correlated. A once blurry puzzle becomes now an evident clear
    Picture: Many simultaneous rebellions stirred up in Arab Countries will
    benefit in the end only the State of Israel with the expansion of its
    territory while in Europe and in the US, the financial resources “like
    magic” will disappear through bailouts, tax cuts and elaborated emergency
    maneuvers which will be ruled only to appear beneficial for those
    Countries but instead appositely designed for their collapse (except for
    England that will push Europe over the precipice). Massive poverty will
    bring chaos and anarchy while the lack of effective governments will
    set the stage for one World Tyranny and the return of George Bush. It
    will be just from chaos that one voice will rise with the promise to
    fix all and everyone. That will be the forked tongue of agents of the
    New World Order (like Berlusconi in Italy or McCain in the US). Not the
    protests or violence in the streets could ever oppose such threat to the
    whole Humankind configured in a Plan relying on its long tentacles and
    the short memory of the people. TV, newspapers and other media on
    payroll of the Zionists will do the rest to confuse what should be
    already crystal clear.

    There is one single Solution to this planned chain of events

    http://www.wavevolution.org/en/humanwaves.html

  • Liora51

    The GOP is a few sandwiches short of a picnic if they think they have any credibility left.

  • tpaine1

    Guess Reid still isn’t listening. Boehner has told you, repeatedly, the votes are NOT there to pass the Senate’s CR raising our national debt another $700,000,000,000!!
    The House GOP are doing EXACTLY what we elected them to do – balance the federal budget and make an end to the Democrat’s Great Recession.
    I’M PROUD OF THE HOUSE GOP.

  • macheath327

    A supercommittee? Hey, here’s an idea. Have two Houses of Congress that meet, vote on resolutions, and then conference to resolve the differences, make compromises, and pass a final bill together, which the President can then sign or veto…oh. We have something like that already? How come they aren’t using it?

  • grgreene

    SURELY that is JUST ALREADY called A *CONFERENCE* committee!!
    They only just now got around to appointing conferees, though, after stonewalling for 6 months.

  • TheAntiProgressive

    First off the government isn’t closed. If the government was closed how did that raid in Kenya get accomplished. How is it that Park Police are out arresting citizens for visiting thier parks? 85% of the government is at work, the other 15% are on paid vacation till the kabuki theater stops being revalent.

  • Valley Forge

    The Democrats are right. All they need to do is appoint conferees to the joint committee to negotiate the two CR bills. Something the Republicans did before the shutdown started. So what are they complaining about? Just do your job Dems.

  • frankreed

    I consider myself to be a conservative. But, I must admit, the current stable of republicans, in both houses, leave much to be desired. Many old timers who have over stayed their usefulness & freshmen who have already put one foot into the door of corruption and a few that brought enough arrogance to think that THEY are the chosen one that will save the republic.
    God removed His hand from upon this great nation back in ’73, when the SCOTUS made abortion legal. We have been on our own since.
    And as clear as the evidence is, we are not capable of managing things, the real things that make up basic LIFE.
    We are short removed from a hard & nasty FALL. obama was brought onto the scene to hasten that fall. When you understand just who obama IS, or more accurately who he is NOT, it all fits.
    Think about it. He celebrates heathenism, homosexuality, practically every perversion imaginable, openly chastises our traditional form of government,
    spanks the SCOTUS, openly, to their very faces, places impediments at every opportunity for business growth and is NOT a cheerleader for American exceptionalism!
    Every influence on his life, from early childhood to his entry into politics has been either radicalism, communism, Marxism, socialism & even terrorism types.
    He established himself as a prolific LIAR, right out of the gate, with his campaign promises that he quickly shied away from. And then came the apology tour, as his FIRST OFFICIAL trip abroad.
    Come on, to quote a rather liberal democrat, dan rather, if it LOOKS like a commie, WALKS like a Marxist & TALKS like a socialist, it’s ….obama!

    • EWS

      Reading those end times comic books again huh? Try socialism for dummies next.

      • frankreed

        Please take that dykkk outta your mouth, I can’t understand a word you’re sayin, thanks!

  • Ginger

    Let’s see, would this be like the committee that was going to agree on budget cuts or else there would be a sequester so awful that everyone was sure the Republicans would work with the Democrats?

    Or like the budget that the House demanded the Senate prepare, they wouldn’t get paid if they didn’t, that they refuse to go to conference over?

    OR the bipartisan committee headed by Simpson-Bowles that would tackle the debt?

    If the Democrats agree to this I’ve got a bridge in Brooklyn I’d be willing to sell them!

  • shorebarb

    Are they insane? This cannot possibly be true. We let illegal aliens on the mall in DC when legal citizens born in this country cannot got to the WW11 Memorial. If they pull a stunt like this the Republican Party is over. I think this may be a ploy to start a fracture.

  • kyrunner

    I say stand firm and force the administration and the Senate Democrats to realize they don’t totally run our government. Remember we have plenty of tax revenue to pay all our debt obligations plus Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid. remember these obligations have a stream of income every week and they can continue. If any are stopped it is because Obama wants to cause unnecessary pain. Of course I believe he would stop all of these payments if he gets a chance. I just hope and pray that the GOP will yell to the hill tops that any decision to default is on the President.

  • disconsolatechimera

    Roll.On.The.Floor.Laughing.

    No, really.

  • Scientist5

    We had a super committee a couple of years ago – Allen Simpson was on it. Yes, a Democrat and Republican headed it as co-chairmen. It came up with good solid recommendations. The unqualified idiot in the WH discounted it completely. Yes, our future is in the hands of idiots.

  • Richard Tebaldi

    Mr. Reid, when do the Democrats need to be “reasonable? You call this “working together? Remember, if you ‘re not part of a solution (your not) You’re part of the Problem”!

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