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April 20, 2014

Mullin Tells ‘Birther Princess’ He Believes Her, but It’s a ‘Dead Issue’

Updated: 5:10 p.m. | Rep. Markwayne Mullin signaled Thursday that he does not think President Barack Obama was born in the United States but said it’s too late to do anything about it — calling it a “dead issue”  and saying “we lost that argument on Nov. 6.”

At a Thursday town hall meeting in Mullin’s Oklahoma district, the freshman Republican fielded a question from a self-described “Birther princess.”

The woman, who brought documents from Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s investigation into Obama’s birth certificate, asked Mullin what he knew about “Obama’s identification fraud.”

When Mullin said it was “dead issue,” the woman replied “No, it’s not,” and tried to give Mullin a 71-page affidavit from the Arpaio investigation.

Mullin refused the documents, saying, “Honestly, I don’t, I don’t even give …”

An earlier version of this story reported that Mullin said, “Honestly, I don’t even give a shit.”

Mullin’s communications director, Ashley Kehl, objected, saying we misheard the comments and that Mullin said “Honestly, I — don’t even give it to me.”

Since we have a video, we’ll let readers judge for themselves. (The disputed words come at about the 30-second mark.)

Whatever Mullin said to the  activist at that point, his larger message was clear.  “I believe what you’re saying,” Mullin said to the woman. “And I don’t support this president whatsoever.” Mullin clarified that he was not “defending this guy,” but he asked the audience whether they had “ever seen those Christians that are on the street corners that are screaming scriptures at cars as they drive by?”

“Yes,” a man in the audience said sheepishly.

Mullin said he believes those individuals “got great intentions. I believe, honestly, that they are Christian individuals. But let me ask you something: Are they doing any good?”

But the woman, sensing that Mullin was questioning whether she was doing any good, said Obama is a fraud who is acting above the law.

“Guys, it has nothing to do with anybody being above the law,” Mullin shot back. “We had four years to take care of that.

“If the rest of the American people thought that was a big enough issue, which I thought it probably would’ve been, who would’ve thought we would ever actually be questioning if we had a natural-born president being president?”

Contacted on Friday, Kehl told CQ Roll Call that her boss is not a birther. She also said that the Kehl said the liberal blog ThinkProgress, which first posted the exchange, had cut out part of the video.

“They have, in my opinion, spliced the video to paint my boss as a birther,” she said, adding that it’s an inference that Mullins is a birther.

Pressed on whether that inference was a major leap given Mullin’s comments, Kehl said she was not “going to argue with the words in the video.”

“He has never come out as a birther in the history of his tenure in D.C.,” she said.

Mullin is the latest GOP lawmaker to raise doubts about Obama’s place of birth. Earlier in the week, Florida Rep. Ted Yoho said he would back legislation from Rep. Steve Stockman, R-Texas, that would, according to Yoho, “look into the birth certificate” issue.

  • ★FALCON★

    Another GOP douche that doesn’t care about his oath to the Constitution.

  • ObamaRelease YourRecords
  • Miki Booth

    See how obots always twist the issue by saying that anyone who challenges the legitimacy of obama’s manufactured birth certificate doesn’t believe he was born in the US, when actually without a real birth certificate how do we know WHERE he was born?

    • Chilidawg

      Birthers are hate filled idiots who refuse to accept reality.

      • dusel1

        AfterBirthers are Obama’s chamber pot servants. They scoop the competition.

    • Chilidawg

      Here you go.

      • Cold Case Posse Supporter

        Sorry but that can’t be accepted as legitimate because the document that Obama released on April 27, 2011 has been found to be a 100% forgery and can be attested by Hawaii independent forensic handwriting and computer document expert Reed Hayes and the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office Cold Case Posse.

        • miller22

          Cold Case Posse Supporter – why on earth would you accept the word from Reed Hayes, who never even examined the birth certificate? Why do you support a “posse” that has been caught presenting false information in a press conference? You do conservatism no favors, my friend, when you continue to spread falsehoods and nonsense.

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            What Obama presented to the public in PDF form is a 100% forgery. Reed Hayes is a certified professional court recognized expert who confirms it as does the 22 month long Cold Case Posse investigation. It’s not about conservatism. It’s about preserving the constitutions Article 2 Section 1, the presidential clause.

          • Reality Check

            If Reed Hayes report is so definitive why won’t Zullo release it?

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            You don’t release your best evidence during an investigation like this, especially to the opposition like yourself. Common sense tells you that.

          • Reality Check

            What investigation? Zullo took his “evidence” to the Maricopa County DA and he told them to forget it.

            I didn’t know “criminal” investigations had partisan sides? I think you just admitted you know this nothing more that a politically based smear campaign against the President.

            Zullo knows that if he releases Hayes’ report it will be ripped to shreds just like his so called affidavit was.

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            No. They want to get it before a congressional hearing since it is out of their jurisdiction. That is where Sheriff Joe Arpaio has been wanting to take it. It is not about a smear. It’s about a felony that has been committed. Reed Hayes conducted his own investigation. He politely emailed you that he would not turn over his findings to you. You returned the favor by smearing him. You are a untrustworthy individual.

          • miller22

            Reed Harris never examined the President’s birth certificate! What can’t you understand about that? The posse you support spreads false information. Posse supporter, why do you insist on spreading lie after lie on Free Republic? What you do is very dangerous to conservatism. You will have to answer to God for this one day. Have you no shame?

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            The original document if it exists is immaterial. What matters is what the White House released was a forged document on its website. Former Hawaii Dept. Of Health director Chiyome Fukino stated in a NBC interview 2 weeks before the forgery was released to the public that she had seen the document and it was half typed and half handwritten. What Obama released on April 27, 2011 was not half typed nor was it half handwritten. The released document contradicts her statement.

          • Reality Check

            What was released was only the public portion of the birth certificate. There are statistical data that are never released. Look at older copies of BC’s like the Nordyke twins certificates and you can see that the bottom part is covered up when copied.

            This is such a stupid argument. If what was released was not what Fukino saw don’t you think she might have just said something?

            Obama’s birth certificate looks exactly like every other Hawaiian BC from the same period. Even the hospital name is identical to that on the Nordyke’s and Johanna Ah’nee’s birth certificates.

          • dusel1

            Are you a certified Hawaiian birth document official or just another Obama chamber pot servant? Cite your references or crawl back into your mouse hole.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002537867370 Mary Adams
          • miller22

            The original document is immaterial? You really can’t see how stupid that statement is?

            The certificate is typed. The signatures are handwritten. The Hawaii Dept. of Health is not lying to you. Mike Zullo is.

            Do you know what the word libel means, CCPS? Do you realize that birthers like you and Butterdezillion libel the Hawaii Dept of Health on a daily basis over at Free Republic? Libel is a crime. And what you and your fellow birthers engage in is insidious. These people are innocent, and you insist on calling them criminals.

            I ask you again: have you absolutely no shame?

          • Reality Check

            It is fun to watch these folks like CCPS venture out of their protective cocoon at Free Republic and birther blogs where any reality based comments are quickly deleted and the commenter banned.

            I will debate them on the facts all day long.

            I sent Reed Hayes a copy of the AP JPG higher resolution photo of the LFBC and politely asked him if he was aware of its existence and how one could obtain a higher resolution image from a lower resolution PDF. You cannot create information from nothing. Hayes never replied.

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            “Hayes never replied.”
            After you’ve smeared him in a unprofessional manner on your amateur internet radio show and at Fogbow…….why would he?

          • Reality Check

            My email exchange with Hayes was weeks before I found the NADE Code of Ethics posted at the National Association of Document Examiners web site,

            Just why are you speaking for Reed Hayes? Is he not capable of defending his work?

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            “Is he not capable of defending his work?”
            To who? You? You’re nobody of importance in this matter. You’re just a amateur internet radio host who smeared Hayes after he politely turned your request down in his email response to you.

          • Reality Check

            And you are?

          • Reality Check

            I read speculation that CCPS from FR is Mike Zullo. Wouldn’t that be a hoot! I could believe it.

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            I’m not a birther nor is butterdezillion. We are patriotic Constitutionalists.

          • miller22

            Sorry, patriots don’t spread lies. You and Butterdezillion do. It’s been pointed out to both of you time and again.

            Both of you continue to libel innocent Americans. Patriots don’t do that.

            You are despicable.

          • Reality Check

            Thanks for the laugh. Butterdizillion is not a Birther? LOL

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002537867370 Mary Adams

            You’re nutjobs.

          • Jason Swenson

            Constitutionalists understand the Constitution. I have yet to see a birther who knew or understood the first thing about the Constitution. Full, faith and credit, ever hear of it?

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            Since the document put on the White House website has been confirmed a 100% fabrication, the Full, Faith and Credit can be challenged.

          • http://nolp.blogspot.com/ davidfarrar

            Any state certified document downloaded from the Internet is inadmissible in court.

            ex animo
            davidfarar

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            That is true David.

          • Jason Swenson

            Agreed, but a certified copy exists. THAT is admissible in ever court in the Country.

          • http://nolp.blogspot.com/ davidfarrar

            And, pray tell, to which court has Obama submitted his certified copy to?

            ex animo
            davidfarrar

          • Jason Swenson

            None because it was not necessary

          • HistorianDude

            If a court ever gets around to asking to see the birth certificate, then that might be a meaningful comment. But no court has, so it’s not.

          • Jason Swenson

            Not without examining the original it can’t.

          • http://nolp.blogspot.com/ davidfarrar

            I do. Do you understand how Article IV, §1 is used in Court when a a state certified document is being admitted into evidence?

            ex animo
            davidfarrar

          • Jason Swenson

            And?

          • http://nolp.blogspot.com/ davidfarrar

            Exactly the same way as a state certified document is treated in the state by the court examining the out-of-state certified document. Nobody has a corner on the truth.

            All that should be required to challenge a state certified document is competent prima facie impeachment evidence. And depending on how probative the original document is, determines the level of judicial notice the judge should require of the impeachment evidence.

            In Obama’s case, there is no probative value in his birth certificate, no matter how many times it is verified, therefore, virtually any prima facie impeachment evidence should be enough to publish his natal records over his objections.

            All these honest people are doing is demanding
            Obama’s qualifications be proven by the preponderance of evidence, nothing more. Well, I have more, but that is beside the point.

            ex animo
            davidfarrar

          • HistorianDude

            There currently exists no prima facie impeachment evidence against the President’s birth certificate.

          • http://nolp.blogspot.com/ davidfarrar

            Yes we do.

            Breitbart.com: OBAMA’S LITERARY AGENT IN 1991 BOOKLET: ‘BORN IN KENYA AND RAISED IN INDONESIA AND HAWAII’

            ex animo

            davidfarrar

          • HistorianDude

            I refer you again to the Federal Rules of Evidence, this time Article VIII. Hearsay.

          • Jason Swenson

            And how does that testimony come in David? The book cover is hearsay. That means the author has to come in to authenticate it and testify as to where she got the information from. Given her statements, the book cover is not admissible. Why, it is like you have no legal training at all.

          • Jason Swenson

            And?

          • HistorianDude

            “The original document if it exists is immaterial.”

            Is there conceivably a more idiotic assertion in all of the blogosphere than THAT one?

          • Jason Swenson

            That is the dumbest birther statement yet. Without comparing the pdf to the original you cannot ascertain whether any of the information is different. Even if the pdf was “forged” and there is no evidence that it was, if the information matches there can’t be an intent to deceive. Get it yet?

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            There is no proof there is an original 52 year old document.
            One thing is certain, the PDF is forged 100% as confirmed by Reed Hayes 40 page report and the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office Cold Case Posse.

          • Jason Swenson

            You mean other than the verifications, certification and attestations of people from two different administrations, of course.

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            Yes, all their actions and statements are now in question since the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office Cold Case Posse and Hawaii forensic expert Reed Hayes investigations contradict them.

          • Jason Swenson

            The fact that you question it, does not mean the question is legitimate, It’s not and you lied.

          • HistorianDude

            Neither the Cold Case Posse nor Reed Hayes has ever seen the birth certificate. The authorities at the Hawaii Department of Health have seen the birth certificate.

            Your assertion of whose “actions and statements are now in question” are legally completely backwards.

          • HistorianDude

            The certified copy (either of the short or long form) is proof that an original 52 year old document exists.

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            Not true at all.

          • HistorianDude

            Actually, yes it is true. It says so right on the short form.

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            You mean the short form with the blacked out number which invalidated the document?

            http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-R2TGkJQF_x0/T2hm5yuNLLI/AAAAAAAABBI/jUb_zi3UfHc/s400/bobirthcertificate+Yap.jpg

          • HistorianDude

            No. I mean the short form that was physically examined by the reporters from FactCheck.org in 2008.

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            Those two hippie FactCheck reporters were not professional experts in forensic document attestations in any manner.

          • Trentonian

            But it doesn’t take forensic document experts to take photos, does it? I’m asking you what *evidence* you have that the COLB isn’t authentic.

          • HistorianDude

            Again, you seem unclear on the concept. The reason we invented sealed and certified birth certificates in the first place us so that no professional expertise in forensic document attestations are required.

          • miller22

            There are plenty of photographs of the COLB without the redacted number, and you know it, CCPS. So why would you post that image?
            Stop with the lies!!!!!!!

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            I’m sorry but the image I posted was the first one put on the web. The blacked out number invalidated it so it could have had another number for all we know. That baby was dead on arrival. Nothing posted after that could be regarded as authentic.

          • miller22

            Cold Case Posse Supporter, if I make a copy of your driver’s license and post it online with the ID number redacted, your license is still valid. Can you grasp that concept?

          • Reality Check

            BTW, there is no such general term as a “court certified” expert. Experts are certified on a case by case basis depending upon the question at hand and their field of expertise. The opposition has very right to challenge any expert and even bring in their own experts.

            Hayes’ CV shows that he has no expertise in computer forensics. Were this question ever to get to a court Hayes would quickly be dismissed as unqualified.

            If Mike Zullo were so proud of Hayes.report why did he not include it in the useless affidavit he filed for the Alabama Supreme Court. He only quoted a paragraph and never attached the report as an exhibit.

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            “Hayes’ CV shows that he has no expertise in computer forensics”

            Hayes CV shows he has research in Computer-Generated Handwriting and Documents. What about you?

          • Reality Check

            His resume lists one article titled “Examination of Computer Generated Handwriting,” Journal of the World Association of Document Examiners, September 1995. What does that have to do with the analysis of a PDF file?

            The Mixed Raster Content (MRC) compression algorithm that is responsible for the “layers” in the LFBC PDF had not been invented in 1995.

          • Reality Check

            No felony has been committed. Hawaii has verified the information on both of Obama’s publicly released birth certificates. There is, by definition, no crime.

            In my article I merely pointed out that Hayes may have violated the code of ethics of his own organization.

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            Yes a felony has been committed. That puts Hawaii Dept. of Health officials statements and actions ALL into question since the document has been discovered to be a 100% forgery. Hayes has not violated any code of ethics.

          • my20cents

            Keep saying it is a 100% forgery and maybe it will become a forgery. Have you clicked your heels together when you say it?

          • ExRepug

            Identify that criminal statute, please.

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            Read
            18 USC § 1028 – Fraud and related activity in connection with identification documents, authentication features, and information
            http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1028

          • Jason Swenson

            Tell me what information on the pdf is false please.

          • ExRepug

            Applies to DOCUMENTS, of which the CCP has none. An online image not an “identification” document within the meaning of the statute. I challenge you to cite a federal case that holds that it is.

          • HistorianDude

            Were it true that a felony has been committed by the Hawaii Dept. of Health, how is it that in five years and over 200 cases, not a single one of them has been a criminal action? Why have all of them been civil suits? Criminal cases don’t have the hurdle of Article III standing to leap. Why no criminal charges?

            Answer: Criminal convictions require actual evidence of a crime. And every birther lawyer to include the most idiotic knows there is no actual evidence of a crime.

          • Jason Swenson

            Zullo has committed perjury and a number of other crimes.

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            No he hasn’t.

          • Jason Swenson

            https://www.facebook.com/TheLiesOfMikeZullo

            Yeah, he has. He has signed two affidavits that are riddled with lies.

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            Proven by what authoritative entity that carries legal weight?

          • Jason Swenson

            He lied in an affidavit. He committed perjury.

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            Proven by what authoritative entity that carries legal weight?

          • Jason Swenson

            He lied in an affidavit, he committed perjury, he just has not been charged yet.

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            He never will be charged since he didn’t lie.

          • Jason Swenson

            I can identify and prove dozens of lies, as can many anti-birthers. Do you want to start with the race codes? Or what about the lie about records sealed under the first executive order? Do I really have to go on?

          • Jason Swenson
          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            Irrelevant FB page.

          • Jason Swenson

            Hardly. It exposes the scam

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            There is no scam. Reed Hayes credentials proves he is no scam as does the diligent investigation by Sheriff Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse.

          • Jason Swenson

            There was no investigation as that term is normally understood. Real investigations do not come to a conclusion and then set out to prove it.

          • miller22

            Cold Case Posse Supporter, you really aren’t interested in the truth in this whole matter, are you? Why is that?

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s Maricopa County Cold Case Posse by the grace of God has exposed the truth. There is no need to look further.

          • HistorianDude

            Then why have they not secured a criminal indictment?

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            That is what they are working on with congressmen behind closed doors.

          • HistorianDude

            Congressmen have nothing to do with criminal indictments. So, try again.

            If they have proved forgery, why have they not secured a criminal indictment.

          • Jason Swenson

            So far not one of the congressman you claim is on board will admit to being “on board”. Why is that Carl?

          • Jason Swenson

            Yeah that is why things were taken verbatim from Corsi’s writings and WND and put in his report. And we should just accept Zullo’s word for everything?

          • miller22

            CCCP — How many times has Zullo said he’s going to release bombshell evidence? And never does. Common sense tells you that Zullo is a con man. Good God, wake up, Posse Supporter. Think!

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            He’s released enough information that proves the birth document is forged. We have only seen about 30% of what he has on the issue. As I stated above, you don’t release your best evidence to the opposition during a investigation process.

          • ExRepug

            He has “proved” nothing. Only a judge or jury can determine what has been proven.

          • Reality Check

            So how would you know that Zullo has only released “30% of what he has on the issue”? Is Zullo waiting to donate his work to the Obama Presidential Library? Or is he waiting to write a huge best selling blockbuster sequel to “A Question of Eligibility” to be titled “Dammit, Why Didn’t We Think of Testing a Xerox?”

          • Jason Swenson

            How is the pdf different from the original?

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            We don’t know there is an original.

          • Jason Swenson

            YOU don’t know that there is an original, the rest of the world does.

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            Ok then link me to the original 52 year old document and it’s microfilm.

          • Jason Swenson

            I am guessing you still don’t understand Hawaiian laws do you?

          • Chilidawg

            Ok then link me to the original 52 year old document and it’s microfilm

            Logic Fail

          • HistorianDude

            Correction. YOU don’t know there is an original. Please do not mistake your personal shortcomings for a generality pertinent to anybody else.

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            ‘YOU don’t know there is an original’
            And neither do you.

          • HistorianDude

            Of course I do. The State of Hawaii has said so, and they are the specific legal authority tasked by law to make that declaration.

            And they have so declared… several times.

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            Officials in state government lie all the time. Hawaii is of no exception

          • HistorianDude

            Again, you seem unclear on the concept. Under the law, YOU have the responsibility to prove they have lied. Without such proof, what they have claimed stands as absolute authority.

            And of course, you have no evidence of a lie. So their absolute authority on this issue stands.

          • miller22

            Again with the libel. Do you realize what a disgusting human being you are, Cold Case Posse Supporter?

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            Are you saying miller22 that state and federal government officials have NEVER lied?

          • HistorianDude

            Red herring. The only relevant issue is whether or not you have any evidence that they have lied in THIS case.

            And you have none.

          • Jason Swenson

            I do know there is an original

          • Reality Check

            Thinking and being a Birther like CCCPS are incompatible.

          • my20cents

            You have been watching too much Perry Mason, real law does not work that way

          • Jason Swenson

            what investigation?

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            The 22 month ongoing investigation under the direction of Sheriff Joe Arpaio of the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office.

          • Jason Swenson

            There was no investigation. Zullo took his findings directly from Corsi, who has admitted that the CCP created evidence.

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            He took some of Corsi’s findings but he also investigated them with the Posse.

          • Jason Swenson

            Would you mind explaining why his report took passages verbatim from Corsi’s writings and WND? Or why Corsi was an official part of the “investigation”.

            There was no investigation.

          • Jason Swenson

            sure he did

          • my20cents

            Reed Hayes and Zullo are afraid to release his report because it will be laughed at.

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            Not true at all. They could care less about being laughed at.

          • my20cents

            are too

          • Jason Swenson

            First, it is couldn’t care less, second, that explains a lot

          • miller22

            Answer my questions, and stop the nonsense. You think someone who never examined the actual document has a right to call it a forgery? Do you honestly believe that? Why do you support a posse that presented false information in a press conference?

            Use your head! Think for yourself!

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            ” You think someone who never examined the actual document has a right to call it a forgery?”

            Yes. The document in PDF form that was released to the American people and put on the White House website represented Obama’s birth. It was found to be a 100% forgery under a investigation directed by Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County. Independent forensic handwriting and computer generated document expert Reed Hayes from Hawaii confirms. His credentials are impeccable. Here is his CV. I suggest you take a look……….real hard.

            http://reedwrite.com/?page_id=11

          • miller22

            A PDF file of a document is a representation of the document. It is not THE document. Do you really not understand this?

          • TorchnPitchforks

            NO! It MAY be a representation of a document. . . It ALSO can be a totally computer generated file that neve had a paper hard copy.
            Do you really not understand this?

          • HistorianDude

            The both the AP scan of the Press conference handout and the Guthrie photograph prove that a higher resolution paper document exists. It is (after all) impossible to go from a lower resolution “computer generated file” to a higher resolution paper one. So, your theory requires that the otherwise identical document was forged twice.

            This is Rule #4 in “The Ten Key Characteristics of Nut-Job Conspiracy Theorists.” To wit:

            4. Abhorrence of simplicity (Rube Goldberg’s Razor) .

            Nut-jobs never settle for a simple solution to a problem when a hopelessly complex and idiotic alternative can be proposed. “Occams Razor” is anathema to nut-jobs.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            Rules # 1 – 99 for Obamaholes: Always leave brain at door.

            You are now claiming that they scanned an original document TWICE:
            1) In high resloution to give to the press.
            2) In low resolution to post on the White Mosque website.

            Obamaholes never settle for a simple solution to a problem when a hopelessly complex and idiotic alternative can be proposed. “Occams Razor” is anathema to Obamaholes.

          • HistorianDude

            Claiming thy scanned it twice (actually, scanned it once for the web and photocopied it once for the press handout) is a no brainer. Saying they FORGED it twice is idiotic.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            Nothing is more idiotic (and dishonest) than claiming that you know the resolution of a paper copy that you have never seen.

            You pathetic Obamahole: I can create a document with any of my graphics programs (From Corel to Adobe) and print it in one resolution and post it to a website in any resolution I want.

            Your idiotic talking points don’t work with people who actually use graphics software.

            Now, stick your head back in Obozo’s @$$ and go back to sleep!

          • HistorianDude

            But I have seen it. Haven’t you? Here. Look for yourself:

            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/BirthCertificateHighResolution.jpg

            http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Guthrie_Wide.jpg

            Now… also think about what you just wrote. If you have reduced the resolution to post it to your website, then you have to re-save it as a different, lower resolution file. That means the document you post is not the document you forged. So how would you pretend to be able to analyze that one to declare that A DIFFERENT document is a forgery?

          • TorchnPitchforks

            Is there any limits to the stupidity of the obamaholes? You are still looking at a computer screen, not a the paper that you claim the press received.

            Saving a document to different resolutions does NOT alters all the blatant defects.

            Rest assured that no matter how much bs you post, your welfare check will not get eny bigger!

          • HistorianDude

            It does not matter that you’re looking at a computer screen. Those are both higher resolution than the PDF. It is simply impossible that the PDF can be an original document… unless you propose that the birth certificate was forged twice. You appear to bristle at that suggestion (rightfully so). Sadly, you have no alternative.

            In begrudging recognition of the impossibility of your original claim, it now looks like you’ve completely changed your story. If as it appears you are now admitting that the PDF is not some original forgery, but instead a lower resolution copy of a different original document then you have actually thrown the entire birther claim under the bus. Because it depends on the PDF being an original forgery.

            And again, there are no “blatant defects” at all in the Whitehouse PDF. As has been proven, it is the ordinary result of an ordinary three step office work-flow… the sort that takes place in offices all over the world countless times every day.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            Clearly, you need remedial English reading lessons. . . I never said that that the pdf on the White Mosque website is a low resolution COPY of some original forgery.

            I clearly said that once the file was created it can be posted and printed in any resolution desired. If you had even a basic knowledge on how a graphic file is posted to a web site, you would know that you always try to make the image load as fast as possibly by reducing its size. Also, the fact that the background has been removed from your “high resolution” image proves that it is a graphic file!

            Again put some of your food stamps reselling money to good use and learn to use graphics software, before you continue to make an idiot of yourself!

          • HistorianDude

            It’s no longer possible to make heads or tails of what you are saying since you contradict yourself every other post when confronted with the simple and objective evidence that what you had just previously said was so stupid. Unable to remember how stupid it was the first time, however, you can’t help but repeat the stupidity later.

            Your claim that “once the file was created it can be posted and printed in any resolution desired” is so profoundly ignorant that I can only assume you are of a generation that grew up before computers and still struggles daily with navigating “teh Interwebs.” No. A file can never be PRINTED at a higher resolution than it was created at. And no, a file can never be POSTED as a different resolution without first being saved to that different resolution as a different, no longer original file.

            And adding analog ignorance to your digital ignorance, the security paper was not “removed” from the AP scan of their photocopy. Security paper was specifically designed so it would be hard to photocopy. Insert “duh” here.

            It’s very sad that you do not take advantage of this opportunity to learn from people who (unlike you) actually know what they are talking about. As a result, you are stuck being a birther… and that’s so pathetic I cannot help but feel bad for you.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            Every time that I think that you cannot be more stupid, your surprise me!

            The whole point of using security paper, is to prevent aterations: If the security paper is “copier invisible” anyone can make a copy, alter it and re-print it on new scurity paper, you idiot!

            Impossible to print to a higher resolution than the original? Postscript has been doing that for 30 years. Neverthe less, I never said that the FORGERY was printed to a higher resolution than the original: You are the idiot that keeps on saying that!

            Finally, here is my avatar in three different resolutions and formats: all from the same file.

          • HistorianDude

            Wrong. The purpose of security paper is to make the document difficult to copy. It is not designed to prevent any complex effort at forgery, only to prevent easy replication.

            That the security paper was not “removed” by electronic means, but merely was lost in the process of photocpying is shown by even a casual look at the shadow of the binding, where the paper is still visible on the AP scan.

            Postscript does not print at a higher resolution than an original.It is vector graphics programming language. Each time it is used to print a document, it creates an original document at the resolution of that immediate act of printing.

            And yes, perhaps you actually were too stupid to realize what you were saying, but you DID say that the alleged forgery was printed to a higher resolution than the alleged original. Since your theory requires the PDF to be the original forgery, and since you claim that the press conference handouts and the certificate handled and photographed by Savannah Guthrie (both of whihc are a higher resolution that the PDF) were printed from it you were in fact claiming that the alleged forgery was printed to a higher resolution.

            Which as smart people with real technology experience know, is impossible.

            First rule of holes, Carl. Stop digging.

          • HistorianDude

            So…. a whole bunch of Carl’s posts have been deleted as of this morning, and his UserID has reverted to “Guest.” Is this a voluntary retreat on his part? Or has he finally simply become too offensive for the site mods?

          • AKRNC

            Yet the hard copy was shown to dozens of reporters as we already know. Are you trying to say they didn’t see it? Is there anything that birthers won’t lie about?

          • TorchnPitchforks

            The stupidity of you libtard Obamaholes defies comprehension: Once you create a file, you can print as many copies as you want, you idiot!

            Also, notice that the green background misteriously disappeared.

          • HistorianDude

            That’s like saying a photograph of my daughter is a “100% forgery” of my daughter.

          • Jason Swenson

            What forger would ever piece together a pdf from other pdfs? You would create a new original.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            Listen you pathetic obamahole, The White Mosque never posted a scan of an original document.

            They posted the actual pdf FILE that they created: There is NO original document!.

          • miller22

            Sorry, the facts are not on your side. Savannah Guthrie’s photo of the document is not a fabrication.

            What a delightful screen name you have. Typical birther.

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            ” Savannah Guthrie’s photo of the document is not a fabrication.”
            You don’t know that and certainly not Savannah Guthrie. She isn’t a professional in forensic document attestations like court recognized expert Reed Hayes, a Hawaiian independent handwriting and computer generated document examiner who has many years of experience.

          • miller22

            She photographed the document, CCPS. My goodness, you are precious. Is there no end to your lies and libel?

            Are you a Christian? Are you familiar with the Ten Commandments? Is the notion of bearing false witness totally lost on you as well?

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            Again, Savannah Guthrie isn’t a professional in forensic document attestations like court recognized expert Reed Hayes, a Hawaiian independent handwriting and computer generated document examiner who has many years of experience. She wouldn’t know if the document was authentic or a fake.

          • HistorianDude

            1. Since when does it take a forensic document expert to take a photograph?

            2. The reason we invented sealed and certified BCs in the first place was so that ANYBODY could declare it authentic. Think clerk at the DMV, or postal employee when applying for a passport.

            3. At least Guthrie has done what Hayes has not; examined the actual document.

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            ’3. At least Guthrie has done what Hayes has not; examined the actual document.’

            Guthrie is not a professional in examining documents for authenticity. Feeling and taking a picture of any document doesn’t make you an expert.

          • HistorianDude

            Again… that is why we invented sealed and certified birth certificates in the first place… so you don’t need to be a professional document examiner to declare them authentic. That’s what the whole “prima facie evidence” caption means.

            In contrast, you DO have to actually be a professional document examiner to declare it fake. But since Reed has never seen the document, he can have no worthwhile opinion on that subject.

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            Reed Hayes has 40 pages worth of expert professional opinion why the document is a 100% forgery. I would tend to believe a professional expert over a biased reporter.

          • HistorianDude

            Ignoring that you cannot possibly know that since Zullo is keeping this alleged report ever so secret, 40 pages of irrelevant commentary on a digital image does not magically become a single worthwhile comment on a completely different paper document that you have never seen.

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            What is on the White House website is a 100% forgery. Reed Hayes with impeccable credentials and the Maricopa Country Sheriff’s Office Cold Case Posse confirms it.

          • HistorianDude

            Pretending just for a second that Hayes’ credentials are impeccable (they’re not, but let’s pretend)… so what? He can have all the credentials in the world. He could be the world’s single greatest document examiner.

            But he has never examined the document. So who cares?

          • Trentonian

            I remember that when the short-form was first released, it was met with complaints that a COLB couldn’t get you into Little League and there were no laser printers in 1961. I haven’t heard much of that kind of talk recently.

            Since the analyses of the 2011 PDEF have no relevance to the short-form document, what evidence do you have that the COLB isn’t authentic? Unless you can prove that it’s not, it establishes when and where the President was born.

          • Jason Swenson

            https://www.facebook.com/TheLiesOfMikeZullo

            Why did the CCP not interview the mother of the Nordyke twins?

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            How do you know they didn’t interview her? You have only seen around 30% of Zullo’s evidence.

          • Jason Swenson

            Because she is on record as saying that she was there when the President’s mother was brought in, she was an eye witness. Zullo ignored anything that would not support his conclusions.

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            You stated he didn’t interview her. How do you know if he didn’t at some point during his investigation?

          • Jason Swenson

            Because he said there were no eyewitnesses to the President’s mother being at hospital in labor. So either he lied about that or he didn’t talk to her. I took him at his word.

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            He meant there has not been one Kapiolani employee that has come forward placing Stanley Ann Dunham at the hospital.

          • HistorianDude

            What a stupid objection. Why would anybody expect to even be able to find a Kapi’olani employee who was even there 52 years ago, let alone remember one delivering mother out of the tens or hundreds of thousands who have given birth there?

          • Jason Swenson

            That is not what he said. If spoke to her he lied, if he didn’t he is incompetent. So which is it?

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            How about that he doesn’t have to report to the public that he talked to her or not.

          • Jason Swenson

            How about answering my question instead of ducking it?

          • Reality Check

            That’s not true. Peter Boyles a Birther DJ in Denver called Kapi’olani Hopsital live on his radio show. He asked the lady who answered the phone if this was the hospital where Obama was born and she said yes. Boyles didn’t know what to say.

          • Jason Swenson

            As long as the expert agrees with you, right?

          • AKRNC

            Don’t forget they had to go through 212 so called experts to find one who would agree with them and he’s NOT a certified professional document examiner. He’s a handwriting expert who took an open-book test in order to become certified.

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            “he’s NOT a certified professional document examiner.”

            That is a complete lie. Here is his CV.
            http://reedwrite.com/?page_id=11

          • TorchnPitchforks

            You obamaholes aver even dumber than anyone can imagine:

            Of course they printed copies FROM the pdf FILE on the White Mosque website!

          • HistorianDude

            Oooh…. what magical new technology do you imagine was invented that suddenly allows you to print copies that are higher resolution than the original?

            Now that’s a patent that will make somebody gazillions.

          • HistorianDude

            That is impossible. You can’t magically create a high resolution handout from a low resolution digital original.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            Only an Obamhole like you would make such an idiotic statement: You have no idea what the resolution of the original file is! Once created, it can be saved in as many resolutions as you want!

            Instead or reading left wing wacko talking points, take some classes on graphics software. . . You may even be able to get off welfare that way!

          • Ryan Darby

            “White Mosque”? How delightfully xenophobic of you. Obama isn’t Muslim, not that it would matter to anyone but a xenophobic crackpot.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            Of course he is not a Muslime* . . . And of course, Islam is the Religion of Peace.

            *As in slime!

          • Jason Swenson

            You are a low life piece of crap. No forger would ever create a document as have been described. It is laughably stupid.

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            ‘ No forger would ever create a document as have been described’
            You don’t know that.

          • Jason Swenson

            So the greatest and biggest conspiracy EVER doesn’t use a competent forger, lol? Do you know how stupid that is?

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            Nothing stupid about it at all. The forger just didn’t cover his tracks due to either being rushed or just flat out incompetent.

          • Jason Swenson

            Yeah, riiiggghhhhtttttt.

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            It’s true.

          • Jason Swenson

            Assuming you are who I think you are, you already know that it isn’t true.

          • AKRNC

            So they were allegedly rushed in a conspiracy that was 50 years in the making? Birthers always open their mouths and prove their ignorance, removing all doubt as to their stupidity.

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            This is nothing to do about 50 years in the making.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            Well yes, most forgers would have done a much better job. Obozo has such a low opinion of his obamholes, that he correctly assumed that any piece of garbage would be enough to convince them.

          • Jason Swenson

            But obviously a forgery would not be used to convince his supporters, now would that?

          • TorchnPitchforks

            It sure as hell didn’t convince anyone else. . . All you obamholes are running around like headless chickens trying to convince mostly yourselves that it’s real.

            You are not too bright. . . Are you?

          • HistorianDude

            Hmmm… we have beaten you in more than 200 court cases over the last five years. However bright we may or may not be, we sure seem to be able to run rings around YOU guys.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            Who is “We”? Collecting a welfare check, does not make you a party to any of the lawsuits filed!

          • HistorianDude

            We? The smart people. The non-bithers.

            Who else?

          • Jason Swenson

            Clearly you are not bright enough to understand the point of my post. Do i need to dumb down my comments?

          • TorchnPitchforks

            The only point to all of you Obamholes posts, was made by Mark Twain:
            “It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”

            If you are not part of Glodman Sacks and the other banksters, you have been fooled!

          • Jason Swenson

            really huh? You kinda just described the street level birther.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            Actually, I described all obamholes! You only reason to exist; is to convince yourselves that the pile of living garbage you call pRsident has been of any benefit to any of you!

            Talk about fools. . .

          • Jason Swenson

            I know a lot of antibirthers–they are split about even between people who support the President’s policies and those who don’t. Why do you assume that anyone who debunks your BS is a supporter? It is just another level of intellectual dishonesty in birferland.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            You havent debunked anything. All you have done is come up with a new lies to justifiy all the garbage on Obozo’s FORGERY.

            Hell, not long ago you were claiming that the layers were created by OCR software.

            It took you idiots 2 years to come up with your “new” Xerox BS.

          • Jason Swenson

            Every single thing birthers have said is wrong and has been proven as such.

            Wanna tell me again how the President sealed his records with his first Executive Order?

            Not that I ever had any respect for birthers in general, I would have at least some if you would ever admit that anything you ever said was proven false instead of repeating the same old tired lies that have been disproven years ago.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            Then, you will have no problem showing us Obozo’s Harvard grades, diploma, his thesis and the articles that he wrote as president of the Harvard Review.

            The fact is that you imbeciles don’t know anything about this Chcago scumbag.

            You racist idiots wanted a black president so bad, that you would have voted for idi Amin!

          • HistorianDude

            And now the ignorant birther tried desperately to change the subject. and they do so with such blissful idiocy its embarrassing to watch.

            The Constitution places no eligibility requirements for good grades, theses or law review articles. You chase those red herring all you want. I’m content just hitting you in the forehead again and again with how you are a birther, and birthers are blithering idiots.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            You really need to learn how to read: I was respondinfg to the other idiot’s, claim that Obozo records are not hidden!

            LIke I said before, stop spending your welfare check on crack!

          • Jason Swenson

            I said that they were not sealed by an executive order. I see english must be your second language.

            And again, no records are “hidden’. There are records that are private. You may not like that they are private, but there is an expression that applies to this situation. To the extent that you are capable of learning and reading, I suggest you become very familiar with it:

            Too F#cking Bad.

          • Jason Swenson

            I am sorry, can you please show me the executive order sealing his records? That was the point, not the rant you went on.

            There is a difference between sealing records and not releasing them. The President’s college records are private in just the same way the records of all the previous presidents are private, just like my records are sealed and vocational records are private.

            The statement that the President ever sealed any of his private records is an outright lie you proved yet again that when confronted with a fact that does not comport to your twisted vision of the world you will ignore the fact.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            The fact remains that you have no idea who this scumbag from Chicago is!

            Yet, you are willing to drag yourself over rusty razor blades defending him!

          • HistorianDude

            Obama is the single most completely and intensely vetted president or presidential candidate in all of American history. And the truth is, your average run of the mill birther knows more about Obama than they do about any other president, simply by accident. This is something I test regularly when I meet a birther and can ask them questions out of google reach.

            Even if they don’t believe it’s true, your average birther can name Obama’s birth hospital, both his parents, both his grandmothers, his sister, his step father, where he went to high school, undergraduate and grad school, where he lived from ages 5 to ten, what his first job was, the name of the Doctor who delivered him, even the name of the State Registrar who signed his birth certificate. In the next breath, they are unable to answer more than two of these questions for any other president.

            It’s not that we have no idea who Obama is. It is that you are driven to frothing lunacy by the fact that he is not who you wish he was.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            You are right: We wish he was an American!

          • HistorianDude

            Oh look! And they say wishes don’t come true.

          • HistorianDude

            Not long ago? The OCR hypothesis was dropped by anti-birthers within a week of the certificate’s release. It is however the preferred straw man of birthers to attack, since they have nothing better to go after.

            The irony of “It took you idiots 2 years to come up with your “new” Xerox BS” is that the Cold Cuts posse was actually involved in what they pretend is a competent law enforcement investigation complete with “exoerts,” and never came up with it at all. Instead and in one fell swoop, an anonymous blogger has figured it out and completely eviscerated the very core of Zullo’s claims.

            That’s what happens when you mistake a used car salesman for a police detective.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            Defending a phony pResident just makes you a phony conservative.

        • my20cents

          Is there an echo on the internet?

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            No but rather in your empty skull!

    • Chilidawg
      • daverg

        funny thing I see a bunch of weasel words and no date listed

        • HistorianDude

          Why would it need a date? What part of “matches the information contained in the original Certificate of Live Birth” is even the tiniest bit ambiguous?

        • AKRNC

          Then you’re obviously blind because there’s a date clearly listed on the form, May 31, 2012.

          • daverg

            so obama / saotao / bournel was born on May 31, 2012? What a putz. Furthermore , this is a CYA memo, no birth date for the usurper and all it says, if you read the words really close is that they have a (fake , forged, computer generated) document on file. That is all it says, it is a weasel worded document that says absolutely NOTHING.

          • HistorianDude

            President Obama was born on August 4, 1961, just as it says in his birth certificate in one of the several pieces of information that matches on the Whitehouse ODF and the original birth certificate as verified here by the State of Hawaii.

            As to the imaginary Mr. Bounel, we have no idea when or if he was born.

            The rest of your whining deserves no attention, because if the State of Hawaii says they have his original certification of live birth, then the US Constitution says “Suck it up.” Full faith and credit baby.

    • miller22

      Miki, give this nonsense a rest already.

    • my20cents

      It is a waste of oxygen to try to reason with people like you. I am killing brain cells just by conversing with you. Your own family is embarrassed by your nonsense and you are alienating your friends. I feel sorry for you

    • ExRepug

      The Congressman had his opportunity to object when the Electoral College votes were counted and certified by a joint session of Congress. He didn’t.

      Obama is President. Congress says so. Get over it.

    • Reality Check

      Did Miki storm out of the discussion carrying her 71 page report with her?

    • Jason Swenson

      How did the congressman make you feel Miki?

      • Reality Check

        … apparently like going for a brisk walk.

        • Jason Swenson

          hmm, I was hoping she would feel like the POS she is.

          • Reality Check

            No Miki is one of those deluded types who thinks she walked out as a heroine from Rep. Mullin’s town hall meeting. She will never comprehend that she is so far out on the fringe that even a Teatard like Mullin doesn’t want to get the stain of her Birtherism on him.

          • AKRNC

            She also thinks that she impressed him by referring to herself as the “birther princess”. When Orly Taitz is considered to be the birther queen, being a mere princess to her is definitely an insult.

          • Jason Swenson

            I actually burst out laughing when I heard that,

          • HistorianDude

            Comedy gold.

  • Pat Jurgensmeyer

    I, along with approximately 60 other people were at this meeting. Let there be no doubt that Congressman Mullin handled this lady and the the situation with great respect. Much more than is being afforded him in the comments and articles that have been written about this issue.

    I am amazed at how quick people will repeat as fact something they hear or read on the Internet because they feel it will help their cause. Never did Congressman Mullin use the phrase , “I don’t give a sh..” Yet he is being quoted in this article and now several blogs as having done so. Take it from someone that was there, it never happened.

    Believe what you want about was and wasn’t said but as Congressman Mullin also stated, “this may be one of those times when we will have to agree to disagree”. Funny how that comment never made it on the Internet.

    • Bob Viering

      Thanks for your eye witness account. I took the time to watch the video and do agree he handled her well.

      But, your bigger point is the impact of people not taking the time to find out the facts of an issue. There are literally thousands of partisan websites, commentators, bloggers etc that are willing to shade the truth to make a point and too many people believe them without question.

      • Reality Check

        I don’t agree that Mullin handled it well. He had a raving lunatic, Miki Booth, standing there trying to take over his meeting and calling the President a criminal yet the cowards response was “I am not going to defend the President”. I am not sure whom I dislike more, the racist nuts like Miki Booth or the weak-kneed Teatards like Mullin who are afraid to offend the Birthers who he knows are crazy but will vote for him over any Democrat.

        • Cold Case Posse Supporter

          There you go again calling names and issuing insults. Looks like you’re the one being partisan!

        • ExRepug

          Agreed. McCain demonstrated how to handle a birther disrupter with grace and finesse. Mr. Mullin took the cowardly way out.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            That’s why he LOST the the election!

          • Reality Check

            McCain lost for many reasons. One of them was George W. Bush. Another was Sarah Palin. Had McCain jumped on the “Obama is a Mooslim” crazy train he would have gotten under 100 EV.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            McCain is Hanoi’s revenge agains America!
            Now go back a put head where it belongs: Insaide Obozo @$$

    • Reality Check

      Pat

      I would believe you but unless that video was from another meeting that is exactly what he said. He said “I don’t give a sh–” when Booth was trying to give him her pile of bovine droppings.

      Miki Booth and the Cold Case Pose a just full of nonsense. The CCP has limited its sham investigation to looking at a computer file, a PDF that they think has anomalies. I took a color printed copy of the PDF and scanned it into a Xerox 7535 WorkCentre and got exactly same results. Mike Zullo claims that the fact that you can move the date and the seal around in Adobe Illustrator is proof of forgery. Guess what? I can do the same thing with my scan. These people are amateur hour rejects.

      Oh and you mentioned Reed Hayes? He is a graphologist and astrologer who says he can pick out a mass murder or tell if you are gay by looking at your handwriting. He was the last resort after 212 experts turned down Mike Zullo.

      • Cold Case Posse Supporter

        ” I took a color printed copy of the PDF and scanned it into a Xerox 7535 WorkCentre and got exactly same results”
        You did not replicate an exact match of the PDF document. Stop trying to give out disinformation and stop slandering Mr. Hayes. What are your professional credentials in computer scanning as well as forensic document and handwriting attestations?

        • Reality Check

          I am every bit as “credentialed” as Garret Papit and Mara Zebest who claimed that MRC compression never produces more than one monochrome layer. That claim has been debunked by Xerox patents and actual test scans on two different Xerox WorkCentres.

          Here is a test you can run yourself:

          1. Print a color copy of the LFBC on any good quality color printer.

          2. Scan to email on a Xerox WorkCentre 7535 or 7655 at 300 dpi. Another model might work but those two have been verified.

          3. Open the PDF in Illustrator and you will notice that the document has layers very similar to the LFBC PDF from the White House. The layers will be in landscape mode. There will be a green background layer with the from and some text. The resolution of that layer will be 150 dpi. Most of the text will be in another monochrome layer. The date and the seal will mostly be separated in additional layers.

          4. Now open the file in Preview and print it to a new PDF.

          5. The new document will have the Preview metadata and will be oriented properly.

          6. A clipping mask just like the one in the LFBC will have been added.

          When you have done that test come back and share the results. If you still claim the PDF is a forgery then tell us what were the source documents. Tell us step by step exactly how the “forgery” was created. Tell us what software was used. Then create the document for us.

          I offer the same challenge to Reed Hayes.

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            Sorry but you are not an expert compared to Zabest or Reed Hayes. You’re an amateur like John Woodman. The Xerox excuse is another attempt to throw everything possible up against a wall to see what will stick in order to thwart Reed Hayes devastating report that proves Obama’s PDF is a forgery.

          • ExRepug

            Sorry, but none of the CCP’s so-called “experts” would survive a Daubert challenge (Daubert v. Merrell Dow Pharmaceuticals, 509 U.S. 579 (1993)).

          • miller22

            But you never even read Woodman’s book. And yet, you call him an amateur? How low can you sink, CCPS?

          • HistorianDude

            How do you pretend to know that Haye’s report devastates anything?

          • Jason Swenson

            So everyone who disagrees with you is an amateur?

          • Chilidawg

            So everyone who disagrees with you is an amateur?

            LOL coming from the amateur CCCP, that’s rich.

          • Jason Swenson

            I am on your side Chili

          • Chilidawg

            I know. I should have replied to CCPS, directly.

          • my20cents

            Your level of denial is amazing. I hope you never become an alchoholic

      • TorchnPitchforks

        You lying Obamahole: All scanners produce layers. However, they are block layers and DO NOT lift images from the background.

        So, take your lies and show them in the same location where you normally keep your head!

        • Reality Check

          Oh really? http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2013/08/06/xerox-7655-overview-picture/

          This was a scan of the printout of the LFBC done on a Xerox model 7655 WorkCentre. It was rotated and saved to PDF in Preview.

          Who is the liar again?

          • TorchnPitchforks

            You ARE!

          • HistorianDude

            LOL… yuo don’t even understand what RC posted, do you?

          • Reality Check

            No, TP doesn’t have a clue that the link I posted directly contradicts what he had just said.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            Another fake Obamhole site proves nothing!
            But of course, you have your own Xerox 7535 in your mother’s basement, right next to your inlatable doll and bed!

          • Reality Check

            No, but I have access to a Xerox 7535 WorkCentre and obtained the same results.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            Sure you do. . .

          • Reality Check

            How much do you want to bet? I will be back in the office on Tuesday. I will scan a printed copy of the LFBC on the 7535 and post a copy on Google Docs. The metadata will show the PDF Producer is a Xerox WorkCentre 7535. If I can do that you will contribute $1000 to The Fogbow forum. If I do not then I will contribute $1000 to the Cold Case Posse.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            Make it 1 Trillion: With your 7535 you can print it just good as Bernanke can. . .

          • Reality Check

            I knew you were too chicken to take my wager TP.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            I did call and raised you $999,999,999,000.00

          • Reality Check

            Chicken. I doubt you even have the $1000.

          • Reality Check

            You called me a liar TP. Now you won’t back it up by taking my wager. What a pathetic loser you are.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            Listen you pathetic imbecile, You are a LIAR . . You couldn’t come up with a $1,000.00 even if you sell all your food stamps and steal all your mother’s jewelry.
            And if you did, you would spend it on crack!

          • Reality Check

            What a chicken you are Carl. I have the money.

            How did your pitchfork and torch rally go?

          • Reality Check

            TnP said I was lying when I claimed to have access to a Xerox WorkCentre 7535. Here is a copy of the LFBC that I printed then scanned to a PDF on the 7535. Download the PDF and look at the file properties. You will see that the creator is “Xerox WorkCentre 7535″

            https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3N_1UB8M52jcE5FaHUtY3NSUFU/edit?usp=sharing

            TnP can pay the $1000, $1 Trillion or anything in between. Just go to http://www.thefogbow.com/ and click on the “Contribute” button. Foggy will let me know when you have made good on your wager.

          • HistorianDude

            So TnP, you want a little gravel with that chicken feed? It’ll help your digestion.

          • Reality Check

            OK, TnP time to pay up.

          • Guest

            Right. . .

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            That is a partisan disinformation website you linked. Those people who did the experiment are not professional experts. They carry absolutely no legal weight.

          • Reality Check

            Unlike the Cold Case Posse, which you blindly support, NBC posted the exact step by step procedures, the source document, the hardware, and the software he used. You can go to your own office, an Office Max, Office Depot, or Staples store that has Xerox Work Centre equipment and duplicate the results yourself. At most you might be out a few bucks.

            Why don’t you do that or are you afraid of what you might find?

          • HistorianDude

            Their legal weight is, at this moment, at least equal to anything coming out of the Cold Case Posse. But more to the point, they show that anybody can prove the Cold Case Posse to be factually wrong.

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            They have not proven the posse wrong since you/they haven’t seen but around a small % of evidence out of their total investigation so far.

          • Reality Check

            What a nonsense claim. As I said before is Zullo waiting to write another book?

          • HistorianDude

            The Posse HAS been proven wrong. No matter what else they might pretend to have hidden, what they have publicly released HAS been proven wrong.

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            Sorry but that is not true. Your little amateur paper you wrote laced with immature slander carries no legal weight to determine they have been proven wrong.

          • HistorianDude

            It carries no less “legal weight” than anything that has come out of the Cold Case Posse.

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            Under the direction of Sheriff Arpaio gives them all the legal weight they need.

          • HistorianDude

            Need for what?

            Certainly not what they need to secure an actual indictment for anything.

          • Chilidawg

            Under the direction of Sheriff Arpaio gives them all the legal weight they need.

            BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

            (wipes the tears of laughter from my eyes)

            BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

          • Chilidawg

            They have not proven the posse wrong since you/they haven’t seen but around a small % of evidence out of their total investigation so far.

            Blah, Blah, Blah.

            Put up or shut up.

            What are you waiting for?

          • AKRNC

            That sounds like a description of the so-called birther experts, all of whom were birthers long before they were claiming to be experts on computer graphics. A real expert actually explained all of this and there’s no doubt he’d put any of those birthers to shame. Does the name Ricardo de Queiroz ring a bell? Google it and you’ll see the report he did. He’d be qualified to testify in court as an expert, the birthers’ so-called experts would not be.

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            “He’d be qualified to testify in court as an expert, the birthers’ so-called experts would not be.”

            Another lie. Reed Hayes can testify too. He is court recognized.
            http://reedwrite.com/?page_id=11

          • HistorianDude

            Reed has neither the experience nor the training that would qualify him to testify on the authenticity of any document based on its electronic image. He would not survive the first 5 minutes of the Daubert hearing in any case considering the President’s birth certificate.

    • ExRepug

      At least two videos of the exchange between the Congressman and birther wingnut Miki Booth have been posted on Youtube, and in both the Congressman is clearly heard to say, “Honestly, I don’t give a sh**.”

    • Reality Check

      Pat

      Do you still stand by your claim after watching the video of the exchange?

  • Chilidawg

    Birthers are bitter, hate filled losers.

    Fout 5 years now, they have been whining and crying and stamping their little feet.

    Grow up already.

    • daverg

      mythers are the hate filled ones, they hate the constitution and every thing that this nation stands for

  • Chilidawg
  • skip1

    Please, please keep this up forever, Birther believers. Never give up. Stay with it. Go to republican town hall meetings. Make as much noise about it as possible.

    • daverg

      myther

    • shafawn

      It’s not about ‘birther’ it’s about a president who has placed himself above the law since he decided to run for the office and knew he was not eligible. That didn’t stop him. He’s moved military in and out of countries and ordered drone strikes without so much as letting congress know what was going on until it was over. He places himself ABOVE THE LAW OF THE LAND. He is a CRIMINAL and so is Holder

  • Fogbow Foggy

    You know, a lot of racists have the guts to admit they’re racists. They’ll join Stormfront. They’ll use the N-word. They’re human garbage, but at least they have the honesty to be up front with their racial animus.

    Birthers are too cowardly to admit that all the lies they try to peddle and all the silly things they claim about President Obama are based on racism and fantasy. It’s a rare birther that has the honesty to just come out and say, like a lady once said on Gretawire, that “We don’t need a black president; the blacks can’t even run their own countries in Africa!”

    But I don’t worry about that too much. I enjoy following the antics of the unpatriotic, unAmerican birther scum, especially the grifters like Zullo the Klown and Carl GallopingHorsie. I think all you birthers should send them all the money they keep begging and begging from you, and then you sit home and eat cat food and live in abject poverty. You don’t deserve to eat decent food like decent Americans do.

    • TorchnPitchforks

      Wipe your chin: It’s still dribbling from fluffing Obozo. You pathetic Obamahole!

      • my20cents

        Brilliant retort. What grade did you finish in school?

        • TorchnPitchforks

          You still haven’t wiped your chin. . .

      • Ryan Darby

        Sheesh, didn’t your parents teach you any manners?

    • Cold Case Posse Supporter

      You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

      • Fogbow Foggy

        Actually, I run the #1 birther debunking website on the Internet, TheFogbow.com. I know far more about the birther lies than you ever will, and that’s all the birthers have: One lie after the next after the next. Lies about the Constitution. Lies about American law. Lies about Congress. Lies about the military and the judicial system of this great nation, and of course, lies about the President of the United States of America. Lies, lies, lies, nothing but lies.

        The best part about GallopingHorsie, though, is that he keeps saying “If anyone has evidence to contradict my lying accusations, I’ll change my mind and shut up.” But when one of us calls on his radio show, the dirty lying coward can’t hang up on them fast enough. We’re always willing to have an honest debate about any aspect of birtherism, but the BIRTHERS ARE COWARDS.

        • Cold Case Posse Supporter

          When you were once an attorney Foggy/aka William L. Brian, what were the reasons the California Bar disciplined you for? Be honest!

          • Fogbow Foggy

            Sure, let’s change the subject and make it all about me and me alone. That way you don’t have to engage in any honest discussion about the birther lies, correct? Go ahead, tell the good folks all about stuff that happened 15 years ago and make it relevant to whether President Obama is eligible for the office we elected him to twice. This is going to work for you, I just know it is!

            HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

            President Obama is going to be dragged out of office in handcuffs, because … Bill Bryan got in some trouble with the California State Bar 15 years ago! Make sense to you?

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            “Sure, let’s change the subject and make it all about me and me alone.”

            Yes, let us do that. The people need to know who you are and about the disinformation syndicate you run in order to protect Obama and his unethical actions. Foggy, I am only stating that you are just like Obama when you were an attorney, a criminal who deceived people who put faith and trust in you that you would do a good ETHICAL job for them. But unfortunately, like Obama, you aren’t eligible to practice law anymore than he is not eligible to be president. You know this to be true.

          • Fogbow Foggy

            Let’s talk about birther criminals now, too. How about Walt Fitzpatrick, the one man crime wave in Tennessee? How about the Blue Falcon, Terry Lakin, the convicted felon who was thrown out of the Army and given six months in Leavenworth and lost a $2 million pension? How about convicted felon James David Manning, the fake preacher in Harlem whose previous gig was kicking all the white people out of Harlem? He was a burglar and robbery specialist in his youth. How about Ashley Judd, the birther who just finished his felony prison stretch a few months ago? So many criminals, so many birther scumbag lawbreakers. I’ve never been arrested in my life, did you know that? I gave up my law license voluntarily, or I’d still be practicing today. I’m not a convicted felon, like so many birthers are.

            So calling me a “criminal” is just another birther lie, ho hum.

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            This is what the California Bar states. Here are excerpts:
            http://members.calbar.ca.gov/fal/Member/Detail/117084

            1998—’Bryan represented three clients in a malicious prosecution case. When he failed to appear at four court hearings, he and his clients were sanctioned, and the case was dismissed.–He stipulated that he failed to perform legal services competently, keep his clients reasonably informed about developments in a case, communicate, return files, pay sanctions and obey court orders.–Bryan also stipulated that he advertised as an attorney in a false and deceptive manner by listing himself and a retired attorney as purported partners, although he had no professional association with her.—He failed to comply with eight separate conditions of the 1998 probation, including submitting quarterly probation reports, attending ethics school, attending Narcotics Anonymous meetings and taking the professional responsibility examination’

            Shame on you for treating good customers in that criminally intent unethical manner.

          • Fogbow Foggy

            Gosh, you’re having some real trouble handling that emotionally, aren’t you? Can’t get past it, all these years later? No idea what I’ve done with my life since then?

            Why did you omit the part about how I was suffering from severe depression at the time, because my wife’s parents both died in our home and my mom died in a particularly horrible way at the same time? Why are you hiding your own identity — did you commit actual CRIMES, like I never did?

            Why didn’t you mention that I practiced law for 16 years, and only got in trouble in that last year when I was suffering from depression? Are you going to tell the folks that I worked for one of the top 100 law firms in this country? Are you going to tell them that I won more than 30 jury trials? Are you going to admit you never had a day of law school yourself?

            OK, loser. You keep on posting about me, now that you’ve given up completely on proving that there’s any reason on Earth why President Obama is ineligible for office.

            I’d get some counseling, if I were you. You can’t let a thing like what happened to me 15 years ago become the focus of your life, which you obviously have done already.

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            Oh stop your bellyaching. I am just exposing your hypocrisy. Obama allowed a 100% forged birth document to the American public.

          • HistorianDude

            Hmmm… it does not appear that you know what “hypocrisy” means. I suggest a dictionary.

          • Ryan Darby

            Yes, because the agencies whose sole purpose is to verify if a candidate is eligible or not for the presidency dropped the ball on one candidate. That a state’s government deliberately forged a birth document. That decades of planning went into some half-baked conspiracy to install a center-left black Democrat into the presidency. Sure, that’s so much more believable than you being a racist coot.

          • Fogbow Foggy

            How’d you get kicked off the police force, Carl? Don’t you run around claiming you used to be a cop? What did you do to get thrown out so you have to be a grifter for a living? At least I’m still running an honest business!

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            Carl?

        • daverg

          you are a lying thieving
          piece of pond scum
          ignoring facts
          tell me this:
          1- why did obama lose his lawyer license in Chicago?
          2- how did obama use Rezko to fake his real estate transaction in Chicago?
          3- how and when did obama change his name from saotao to obama
          4- how do you explain the number of AP articles in 2000s saying obama was born in Kenya
          5- how do you explain the college entrance adm who has copies of obama’s entrance application saying he is not a US citizen
          6- how do you explain millions of KENYAN who say Obama was born in Kenya
          7- how do you explain that obama is running around with a fake SSN
          8- how do you explain that the US CODE says that OBama’s mother was TOO YOUNG to pass along AMERICAN citizenship when OBAMA was born?
          9- how do you explain that CHIEF JUSTICE WAITE SAID That a constitutional natural born citizen requires TWO US PARENTS as CITIZENS ?
          10-how do you explain dozens of witnesses who spoke to obama before 2008 hearing him say he was born in Kenya?
          11- how do you explain his own wife in several youtube videos saying obama was born in kenya
          12- how do you explain obama going on an extended trip on an Indonesian passport in the 1980s to pakistan when US did not allow extended trips to the nation?
          13- how do you explain all the experts, including one from OBAMA’s own law firm, proving without a doubt that his internet posted birth certificate is a fraud?
          14- how do you explain that several officials in the Hawaii DOH have stated “it is a known fact that OBama does not have a birth certificate and that the officials are covering it up?”
          15- how do you explain the fact that no Hospital in Hawaii , even the one allegedly listed on his birth certificate, refuses to recognize obama was borne there?
          16- how do you explain that fact that the obama’s never lived at the address listed in the newspaper or birth certificate and none of the neighbors ever saw him there?
          17- how do you explain the fact that the INS records, the complete set, shows only ONE WEEK missing , interesting enough the week Obama was born ?
          18- how do you explain the fact that Bill Ayers post man was introduced to Obama as a foreign exchange student from Kenya?
          19- how do you explain the fact that Alan Keyes when debating obama for senate race got obama to admit that he wasn’t constitutionally qualified to be president?
          20- how to you explain that obama’s own grandmother says he was born in Kenya and she was a witness to it?
          21- how do you explain that fact that obama’s selective service application is a forgery?
          22- how do you explain that obama has put out at least FIVE different internet forged “birth certificates” and they are all fakes !
          23- how do you explain the fact that the cold case posse started trying to prove obama was legit but all the evidence they found to date says NO NO NO and NO !
          24- how do you explain the fact that Hawaii said Sun Yet Sen was born there too, when obviously he was born in China ?Seems to anyone with a brain Hawaii has a problem,
          25- how do you explain the fact that Hawaii allows foreign born babies to be registered as born in Hawaii ?
          26- how do you explain the fact that Hawaii DOH letter to Arizona SOS uses weasel words never admitting obama was born in HAwaii and never verifying the date of his birth ?
          27- How do you explain the fact that the Governor of HAwaii said he was there when obama was born, said he would look into it, and when he did he back peddled faster than michael jackson?
          28 how do you explain the fact that obama is half white and half black, yet anyone who sees this facts are racists?
          29 how do you explain the fact that the best you “mythers” can do is insult people and not provide reasonable facts ?

          and that is just the tip of the iceberg.

          too many facts to dispute them all
          and you know it
          you have been exposed as a fake and fraud

          • HistorianDude

            Ignoring the childish invective, in the order asked:

            1- Obama did not “lose” his lawyer’s license. He voluntarily stopped practicing law. You may have noticed… he’s the President of the United States now.
            2- The public record of Obama’s real estate transactions in Chicago are all available. There is no “fake” transaction among them.
            3- Obama has never had his name legally changed.
            4- There are no AP articles from the 2000 saying he was born in Kenya. There is an original AP article that does NOT say that, to which that false detail was added later and than copied a handful of times.
            5- There is no “college entrance adm” who has ever publicly claimed to have copies of Obama’s entrance application, period. Let alone any that say he was a foreign student.
            6- There are not “millions of Kenyans” who believe Obama was born there. I challenge you, in fact, to name just five.
            7- There is no evidence that Obama’s SSN is fake. In fact, he has filed his Income and Payroll taxes with that number for more than 30 years, and neither the IRS nor SSA has ever complained.
            8- Since Obama was born in the US, it does not matter how old his mother was… or even WHO she was.
            9- Chief Justice Waite never said that a constitutional
            natural born citizen requires two citizen parents.
            10-There are not dozens of witness who spoke with Obama before 2000 during which he claimed to be Kenyan. There are at most two, and both have told stories that do not stand up to the slightest critical scrutiny.
            11- Obama’s wife has never once said that he was born in Kenya
            12- Pakistan has never been on any sort of travel limitation by the US government, and has never denied persons from traveling there on US passports for “extended” periods. There is no evidence that Obama ever held an Indonesian passport… or any passport other than US.
            13- Every actual expert who has ever commented on the image of Obama’s BC has declared it free of any signs of forgery. Reed Hayes has no credentials in digital document forensics, and has never seen the original, so his opinions are meaningless.
            14- Not a single official in the Hawaii DOH has ever stated “it is a known fact that OBama does not have a birth certificate and that the officials are covering it up?”
            15- It is a violation of the law (specifically of The Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996) for any hospital to acknowledge that a person was born there.
            16- Obama’s mother absolutely did live at the address listed in the newspaper and birth certificate at the time of his birth. Unless you are an omniscient GOD, you have no serious way of knowing that “none of the neighbors ever saw him there.”
            17- The national archives have reported that the missing INS records are the result of a document feeder jam in 1961. They are missing only for Hawaii, but flights to the US from Kenya did not enter there, they entered at New York. The New York records are perfectly preserved. Obama and his mother are not on them.
            18- The anecdote of Ayers’s post man having met Obama is not credible.
            19- The full video set of debates between Keyes and Obama have always been available on Keyes’s own website. You can go look for yourself. The claimed admission by Obama never happened, and Keyes’s campaign manager is also on record that it never happened.
            20-Obama’s grandmother has never claimed that she was present at Obama’s birth, that she witnessed it, or that Obama was born in Kenya. She is actually on record repeatedly that he was born in Hawaii.
            21- The Selective Service System has declared his registration completely authentic.
            22- Obama has actually released only two birth certificates; one short form and one long form. Both are authentic.
            23- The Cold Case Posse is a patent farce. It requires no explanation beyond that detail. But if you’d like more, go here:

            http://www.scribd.com/doc/116752480/The-Annotated-Zullo

            24- Sun Yatsen died more than 30 years before Hawaii was even a State. Whatever the Territory of Hawaii did in 1904 has little to no relevance what the State of Hawaii was doing in 1961.
            25- Hawaii does not allow foreign born children to be registered as born in Hawaii. If they receive a Hawaiian birth certificate, it still shows their actual foreign place of birth.
            26-The Hawaii verification to the Arizona Secretary of State uses no weasel words, and it verifies exactly what the SOS asked them to verify as is required by law.
            27- The governor of Hawaii actually WAS there (in Hawaii, not at the hospital) when Obama was born. He “backpedaled” on releasing Obama’s birth certificate because he discovered that he did not have the legal authority to do so.
            28 Obama is half white and half black because his father was black and his mother was white. Only SOME people who see this are racists.
            29 I have presented you here with 28 demonstrations that your 29th claim is false. But don;t you fill a little silly claiming all we can do is throw insults in a post that you began by calling us pond scum?

          • daverg

            1- Obama did not “lose” his lawyer’s license. He voluntarily stopped
            practicing law. You may have noticed… he’s the President of the United
            States now.NO HE DID NOT AND HE LOST IT WELL BEFORE HE WAS USURPER IN CHIEF AND YOU KNOW – FAIL
            2- The public record of Obama’s real estate transactions
            in Chicago are all available. There is no “fake” transaction among
            them.YES THERE IS. ANOTHER FAIL
            3- Obama has never had his name legally changed.
            MY POINT EXACTLY LOL<< so far you are ZERO FOR 16
            17- The national archives have reported that the missing
            INS records are the result of a document feeder jam in

            UHUH

            1961. They are
            missing only for Hawaii, but flights to the US from Kenya did not enter
            there, they entered at New York. The New York records are perfectly
            preserved. Obama and his mother are not on them.

            UHUH

            18- The anecdote of Ayers's post man having met Obama is not credible.

            UHUH

            19-
            The full video set of debates between Keyes and Obama have always been
            available on Keyes's own website. You can go look for yourself. The
            claimed admission by Obama never happened, and Keyes's campaign manager
            is also on record that it never happened.

            KEYES SAID IT DID HAPPEN.
            20-Obama's grandmother has
            never claimed that she was present at Obama's birth, that she witnessed
            it, or that Obama was born in Kenya. She is actually on record
            repeatedly that he was born in Hawaii

            No SHE SAID IN HER NATIVE TONGUE SHE WITNESSED OBAMA BIRTH IN KENYA

            .
            21- The Selective Service System has declared his registration completely authentic.

            NO THEY HAVE NOT

            22- Obama has actually released only two birth certificates; one short form and one long form. Both are authentic

            NOPE , MORE THAN FIVE HAVE BEEN RELEASED, ALL FAKES.

            .
            23- The Cold Case Posse is a patent farce. It requires no explanation beyond that detail. But if you'd like more, go here:

            NO YOU ARE A FARCE

            24- Sun Yatsen died more than 30 years before Hawaii was even a
            State. Whatever the Territory of Hawaii did in 1904 has little to no
            relevance what the State of Hawaii was doing in 1961.

            — What Hawaii has done for the past 50 years is relevant because they haven't changed one iota in issuing foreigners birth certificates, for a fee. and on the black market. Anyone who believes otherwise is naive, BTW I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale, you want to buy it ? For a small fee ?

            25- Hawaii does
            not allow foreign born children to be registered as born in Hawaii. If
            they receive a Hawaiian birth certificate, it still shows their actual
            foreign place of birth.

            Just like obama, if someone wipes out the foreign place of birth, for a fee…….

            26-The Hawaii verification to the Arizona
            Secretary of State uses no weasel words, and it verifies exactly what
            the SOS asked them to verify as is required by law.

            NO IT DOES NOT , the WORDS ARE WEASEL WORDS and PROVES NOTHING BUT CYA for the PERSON WRITING THE LETTER.

            27- The governor
            of Hawaii actually WAS there (in Hawaii, not at the hospital) when Obama
            was born. He "backpedaled" on releasing Obama's birth certificate
            because he discovered that he did not have the legal authority to do so.

            UHUH….yep right….

            28
            Obama is half white and half black because his father was black and his
            mother was white. Only SOME people who see this are racists.

            only MYTHERS like yourself…are the some people, yep.

            29 I
            have presented you here with 28 demonstrations that your 29th claim is
            false. But don;t you fill a little silly claiming all we can do is throw
            insults in a post that you began by calling us pond scum?

            all your opinions decimated, you are right about pond scum comment, you are lower than pond scum for furthering this myth

            true myther that you are. Throwing the constitution under the bus. go to hell

          • HistorianDude

            Your responses are so pathetic that I will not waste my time with another point by point rebuttal. I will use only the very first one to demonstrate that you are ignorant, that you are foolish, and that you have no excuse for either.

            Obama was elected in November of 2008. He was Inaugurated in January of 2009. His did not give up his law license until a month later, February of 2009. Any idiot, yes even you, can look this up on the website of the Attorney Registration and Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois… which will also show you it was voluntary and not as the result of any disciplinary action.

            You believe lies. You believe stupid stuff. You believe stupid stuff that a simple google search would show is not true.

            This is why you are a birther.

  • daverg

    really they had four years to take care of it ?
    how ?
    when?
    did ROMNEY or elitists or MCCAIN
    ever bring it up?

    The sheriff report was released AFTER the election, putz

    AFTER THE ELECTION
    NIXON was elected
    and he was held accountable AFTER the election

    it is not a DEAD issue

    • HistorianDude

      Hmmmm…. Obama is in his 5th year as president. Birthers have lost 201 court cases, to include more than 25 rejections by the US Supreme Court, and more than 20 decisions that explicitly declare Obama to be a natural born US citizen and fully eligible for the job he holds. His election has been unanimously certified by Congress twice.

      How could this issue be any MORE dead?

      • Jason Swenson

        They still have Alabama

        • http://nolp.blogspot.com/ davidfarrar

          Nonsense. Sen. Cruz, Sen. Rubio, Gov. Jindal and many others who simply aren’t Art. II, §1, cl. 4 natural born Citizens, according to natural law.

          ex animo
          davidfarrar

          • Jason Swenson

            Since you do not know what natural born citizen means, or anything about the law, you might want to consider not posting on this subject. Natural law has nothing to do with NBC.

          • http://nolp.blogspot.com/ davidfarrar

            You are welcome to your opinions.

            Natural law has everything to do with the constitutional meaning of an Art. II, §1, cl. 4 natural born Citizen. US Citizenship is an aspect of international law, while state citizenship is an aspect of common law.

            ex animo
            davidfarrar

          • Jason Swenson

            Uh, no it isn’t. 237 years of jurisprudence says you are wrong.

  • daverg

    tell me this:
    1- why did obama lose his lawyer license in Chicago?
    2- how did obama use Rezko to fake his real estate transaction in Chicago?
    3- how and when did obama change his name from saotao to obama
    4- how do you explain the number of AP articles in 2000s saying obama was born in Kenya
    5- how do you explain the college entrance adm who has copies of obama’s entrance application saying he is not a US citizen
    6- how do you explain millions of KENYAN who say Obama was born in Kenya
    7- how do you explain that obama is running around with a fake SSN
    8-
    how do you explain that the US CODE says that OBama’s mother was TOO
    YOUNG to pass along AMERICAN citizenship when OBAMA was born?
    9- how
    do you explain that CHIEF JUSTICE WAITE SAID That a constitutional
    natural born citizen requires TWO US PARENTS as CITIZENS ?
    10-how do you explain dozens of witnesses who spoke to obama before 2008 hearing him say he was born in Kenya?
    11- how do you explain his own wife in several youtube videos saying obama was born in kenya
    12-
    how do you explain obama going on an extended trip on an Indonesian
    passport in the 1980s to pakistan when US did not allow extended trips
    to the nation?
    13- how do you explain all the experts, including one
    from OBAMA’s own law firm, proving without a doubt that his internet
    posted birth certificate is a fraud?
    14- how do you explain that
    several officials in the Hawaii DOH have stated “it is a known fact that
    OBama does not have a birth certificate and that the officials are
    covering it up?”
    15- how do you explain the fact that no Hospital in
    Hawaii , even the one allegedly listed on his birth certificate, refuses
    to recognize obama was borne there?
    16- how do you explain that fact
    that the obama’s never lived at the address listed in the newspaper or
    birth certificate and none of the neighbors ever saw him there?
    17-
    how do you explain the fact that the INS records, the complete set,
    shows only ONE WEEK missing , interesting enough the week Obama was born
    ?
    18- how do you explain the fact that Bill Ayers post man was introduced to Obama as a foreign exchange student from Kenya?
    19-
    how do you explain the fact that Alan Keyes when debating obama for
    senate race got obama to admit that he wasn’t constitutionally qualified
    to be president?
    20- how to you explain that obama’s own grandmother says he was born in Kenya and she was a witness to it?
    21- how do you explain that fact that obama’s selective service application is a forgery?
    22-
    how do you explain that obama has put out at least FIVE different
    internet forged “birth certificates” and they are all fakes !
    23- how
    do you explain the fact that the cold case posse started trying to
    prove obama was legit but all the evidence they found to date says NO NO
    NO and NO !
    24- how do you explain the fact that Hawaii said Sun Yet
    Sen was born there too, when obviously he was born in China ?Seems to
    anyone with a brain Hawaii has a problem,
    25- how do you explain the fact that Hawaii allows foreign born babies to be registered as born in Hawaii ?
    26-
    how do you explain the fact that Hawaii DOH letter to Arizona SOS uses
    weasel words never admitting obama was born in HAwaii and never
    verifying the date of his birth ?
    27- How do you explain the fact
    that the Governor of HAwaii said he was there when obama was born, said
    he would look into it, and when he did he back peddled faster than
    michael jackson?
    28 how do you explain the fact that obama is half white and half black, yet anyone who sees this facts are racists?
    29 how do you explain the fact that the best you “mythers” can do is insult people and not provide reasonable facts ?

    and that is just the tip of the iceberg.

    too many facts to dispute them all
    and you know it
    you have been exposed as a fake and fraud

  • http://nolp.blogspot.com/ davidfarrar

    It is not a ‘dead issue’ by any means. This debate has been going on since the very beginning of our nation. It concerns the cornerstone of this Republic, who should create the qualifications of the President and Vice-President, the People or the state?

    Under present court rulings, the courts are clearly saying it is the state that should determine the qualifications of the President and Vice-President, and not we the People.

    Secondly, it is not over because waiting in the wings is Sen. Cruz, Sen. Rubio, Gov. Jindal and others…

    And as much as I admire Sen. Cruz and Sen. Rubio for their stance against ObamaCare; I, and much of their Tea Party base, admire and respect the US Const. even more. Sen. Ted Cruz is absolutely correct when he states he is a US Citizen by positive law (Title 8 USC §1401 (g)). Unfortunately, the US Const. calls for our presidents to be natural born Citizens, by natural law, not by privileged law.

    An Art. II, §1, cl. 4 natural born Citizen is a person who acquires their US Citizen by reason of birth, naturally, by their natural inalienable right to inherit the citizenship of its US citizen father. In order for Sen. Cruz, Sen. Rubio, Gov. Jindal and others to be Art. II, §1, cl. 4 natural born Citizens, their fathers would have had to become naturalized US citizens prior to their births.

    Sadly, neither Obama’s, Sen. Cruz’, Sen. Rubio’s, nor Gov. Jindal’s fathers were US citizens at the time of their births, making it impossible for any to be Art. II, §1, cl. 4 natural born Citizens by natural law.

    ex animo
    davidfarrar

    • HistorianDude

      Nonsense. Any debate over “who should create the qualifications of the President and Vice-President” was settled when the Constitution was ratified. Those qualifications are enumerated in Article II.

      • http://nolp.blogspot.com/ davidfarrar

        So who, pray tell, should create the qualifications of the President and Vice-President of the United States?

        ex animo
        davidfarrar

        • HistorianDude

          They are already in the Constitution.

          • http://nolp.blogspot.com/ davidfarrar

            Okay, it wasn’t meant to be trick question. I apologize.

            So we both agree, it is the People who create their own ruling class; do we not?

            Using the old adage: all roads lead to the truth; I need a ‘yes’ or ‘no’ answer from you so I know which way to proceed.

            ex animo
            davidfarrar

          • HistorianDude

            No. We do not agree. Since the ratification of the Constitution, the people have no power whatsoever to create their own ruling class. The eligibility criteria for the Presidency are already in the Constitution. Only a Constitutional amendment may change them.

          • Jason Swenson

            There is no ruling class in this country. Someone is either eligible or ineligible

          • http://nolp.blogspot.com/ davidfarrar

            Nonsense. Art. II, §1, cl. 4 sets the qualifications for the President and Vice-President (i.e., the closest we have in this government to a ruling class).

            ex animo
            davidfarrar

          • Jason Swenson

            There is no ruling class in this country. Someone is either eligible or ineligible

          • http://nolp.blogspot.com/ davidfarrar

            Nonsense. To allow candidates to stand for the office of the presidency simply because they quality by positive law, is a usurpation of the clear intent of the Founders, Framers and Ratifiers of the US. Const. to qualify only natural born (US) Citizens.

            ex animo
            davidfarrar

          • HistorianDude

            There is no such thing as “natural law” under our Federal judicial system. We have four, and only four sources of law. They are:

            1. Constitutional law.
            2. Statutory law (as determined by Congress – Article I)
            3. Regulatory law (as determined by the Executive 0 Article II)
            4. Common law (as determined by the Courts – Article III)

            There is no fifth source.

          • Trentonian

            LOL — I agree with you, HD, but watch out for Orly-numbering!

          • Jason Swenson

            He also forgot “Orlylaw”, which is a source of law in and of itself.

          • http://nolp.blogspot.com/ davidfarrar

            Nonsense. Natural law is the law human nature follows, and is the very basis of international law of today — which, incidentally, you forgot to mention in your law of law of our judicial system, and, of which, US citizenship is an aspect of, as opposed to state citizenship, which is governed by municipal law, or common law.

            Let me give you an example: let’s go back before 1776. Suppose you have two North American Indiana tribes, let’s say Iroquois and Sioux. Now let’s say an Iroquois man and his wife who is of the Cherokee tribe, and pregnant, are traveling across Sioux territory and they stop and camp on Sioux territory for the night and the Cherokee mother gives birth to a child on Sioux territory. Does that make the child Sioux, Cherokee, or Iroquois?

            The fact that the child was born on Sioux territory gives the Sioux the right to decide if they want to adopt the child and make him/er Sioux or not. They might instead even kill the entire Iroquois family for trespassing. The option is theirs. It is the same with every nation including the U.S. This is why Vattel says that the soil is just the place of birth and not the country that one is from, which goes by the father because it is determined as a function of natural laws, not legal privileges.

            If you would like, I can draw the same analogy with the present day indigenous tribes of Kenya. We can even use Obama’s tribe, the Lue people and the Kikuyu people. Natural law is being played out today in Kenya, even as we speak, even as it was played out in 1776 with the Iroquois, the Sioux, and the Cherokee tribes.

            ex animo
            davidfarrar

          • HistorianDude

            US Jurisprudence does not recognize “natural law.” And this is a good thing, since the entire concept is ultimately nonsensical, subjective to the point of uselessness, and otherwise merely a mask for transient bigotry. The four sources of US law have been listed above. Your imaginary “natural law” does not make the cut.

          • http://nolp.blogspot.com/ davidfarrar

            You are welcome to your own opinion. Natural law is a relevant today, as it was in 1757.

            ex animo
            davidfrarrar

          • HistorianDude

            Natural law is as imaginary today as it was in 1757, certainly. And like bloodletting, slavery, smooth bore muskets and talismans protecting us from the evil eye it has been confined to the trash heap of discredited ideas where it belongs.

          • http://nolp.blogspot.com/ davidfarrar

            Nonsense. Natural law is the very basis of international law. But thanks for the laugh.

            ex animo
            davidfarrar

          • HistorianDude

            You keep believing that if it makes you feel better. But it would certainly go some way towards explaining why International Law has proven to be such a profound oxymoron.

  • Jason Swenson

    Learn the truth about Gallups and Zullo

    https://www.facebook.com/TheLiesOfMikeZullo

    • Cold Case Posse Supporter

      There is nothing truthful about that disinformation FB page. It is meant to smear and obfuscate facts.

      • Jason Swenson

        Everything on there is verifiably true and proveable in a Court of law

        • http://nolp.blogspot.com/ davidfarrar

          No, it hasn’t. It has only been verified to be an accurate reflection of the information contained in the HDOH files. Nobody has ever said it was the proven truth, at least not yet.

          ex animo
          davidfarrar

          • HistorianDude

            Absent any evidence to contradict it, you have reached the bottom of that particular rhetorical well.

          • http://nolp.blogspot.com/ davidfarrar

            But we have evidence to the contrary. Obama’s “authorized” literary agent’s written statement.

            ex animo
            davidfarrar

          • HistorianDude

            For the third time, David, I refer you to the Federal Rules of Evidence. Specifically the hearsay rule. The biographic blurb cannot meet that hurdle.

            This ignores completely your bogus use of the adjective “authorized.”

          • http://nolp.blogspot.com/ davidfarrar

            That’s fine. I cite: Federal Rules of Evidence 801 (d)(2)(C & D) as to Obama’s “authorized” agent.

            ex animo
            davidfarrar

          • HistorianDude

            The statement was not made against an opposing party. 801 (d)(2)(C & D) does not apply.

          • http://nolp.blogspot.com/ davidfarrar

            You are as welcome to you own delusions as I am to mine, but in an evidentiary hearing to gain access to Obama’s natal records, the Plaintiff would be the opposing party, using the “authorized” literary agent’s written statement as impeachment evidence.

            ex animo
            davidfarrar

          • HistorianDude

            And now you want to rend the time space continuum, David? Because an evidentiary hearing canot travel back in time and magically change a statement that was not made against an opposing party into one that was. Absent a time machine, nothing that publisher’s agent ever said (with the exception of her admission and apology for making the error in the first place) is anything other than inadmissible hearsay. Any plaintiff would be barred from even introducing it, let alone pretend it has magically become a statement against an opposing party.

          • Jason Swenson

            David likes to pretend that he has legal training

          • HistorianDude

            About as much legal training as the empty chair he lost to in Georgia last year.

          • Jason Swenson

            And yet still more than Orly does

          • http://nolp.blogspot.com/ davidfarrar

            The statement made by Obama’s authorized, literary agent is presumed to be true on its face. She was Obama’s hired employee, hired to writ his bio. It is not hearsay under the rules of evidence. It would be admissible.

            Since this agent is still under contract with Obama, any testimony she would give to the contrary to her written record would compel be little judicial notice when access to the record itself is the remedy sought.

            ex animo
            davidfarrar

          • AKRNC

            Where the hell do you get the idea she is still under contract w/President Obama? If you think the statement she made containing his bio is admissible, then so would the statement she made admitting she made a mistake. Considering President Obama has NEVER said he was born in Kenya and there are thousands of places that mention his birth in Hawaii, the initial bio she wrote is meaningless. You’re not familiar with our legal system, that’s quite obvious with every post you make. Of course, anyone who would have Orly Taitz as an attorney after spending more than a few minutes with her isn’t a decent judge of anything, let alone our laws.

          • HistorianDude

            David, noting in passing that you make no effort to address the three reasons already listed as to why this does not satisfy the statement against an opposing party exception, let’s pretend for one second that is true. It’s not since Obama did not hire the agency to write his bio, and the agency did not create the bio blurb in pursuance of their business with Obama, but instead in the effort to market their own services to other authors, but let’s pretend. The “literary agent” in question has already retracted the statement, declared it to be in error, and asserted that Obama was not the source for the detail.

            How do you actually imagine that an statement that has since been denied as true by its author constitutes rebutting evidence to the President’s birth certificate?

            Do you honestly not understand how insignificant a straw you are grasping here?

          • Trentonian

            Remember whom you’re dealing with, HD. David is one of those birthers who is ready to pivot on a dime and grasp at whatever slim straw he can find or, if convenient, simply make up.

            When cornered on a ridiculous claim, like the one about how the retracted promotional blurb outweighs at least four official Hawaiian documents, he will reach for another absurdity, like for example how the Letters of Verification are not authentic based a dishonest misreading of the Federal Rules of Evidence.

            When all else fails, he will proclaim that the President is ineligible based on natural law — the proviso being, of course, that the only competent adjudicator of natural law is Mr. Farrar himself.

            David represents the most transparent form of birtherism, the one that is willing to endorse an entire spectrum of unrelated theories whose only common component is that they lead to the same pre-determined conclusion.

          • HistorianDude

            One of the saddest stories about David Farrar is that over a year ago he actually found a competent lawyer to help him get his case heard in court. This was in the Georgia Ballot Challenge. This lawyer was probably not a birther, but anxious to get a court decision so that the issue might finally be put to rest. He actually came up with an excellent strategy that would have likely forced the Georgia SoS to demand a birth certificate… and then for some idiotic reason known only to him, David decided Orly Taitz would be a better lawyer instead. The rest is (depending on your perspective) either history or comedy gold.

            Orly (and her fellow attorneys Hatfield and Irion) wrote briefs that were so spectacularly bad, so stupid in fact that the opposing lawyer didn’t even bother to show up in court. This pissed off Judge Malihi so much that he offered Farrar and crew a default judgment.

            Think about this for the moment. The judge told the birthers that he was ready to give them the first (and only) birther win in any of the more than 150 cases that had been filed by that time. It was there on a platter… juicy and delicious. The media coup they had prayed for, struggled for. sweated and spent their money for.

            And then they snatched defeat from the jaws of victory in a way so spectacular it has become legendary. They said, no. Instead of a default judgment, they wanted to put their “experts” up to testify and have their day in court. So picture this: three birther lawyers, a half dozen or so birther plaintiffs, perhaps as many birther witnesses all saying anything they wanted to say in open court. All making their best arguments, all showing their big charts and pictures with circles and arrows and Paul Irey hallucinating he was smart. All opposed y an empty chair.

            And during the course of the hearing, they proved to Judge Malihi that they were wrong; that birthism is a crock; that their experts were amateurs; that their lawyers were incompetent buffoons.

            They prove their own case wrong on a day when the opposition didn’t even show up.

            This is the lasting legacy of David Farrar.

            Ex animo.

          • AKRNC

            The agent you referred to has already admitted she made a mistake. There’s also the fact that she wasn’t the agent for the books that President Obama wrote in which he stated he was born in Hawaii, along with thousands of newspaper articles about him.

            Newspapers and other media sources are known to make the occasional mistake. Immediately after the explosion in West, Texas, I read about how upset George W. Bush was in regards to the explosion in his “hometown of West, Texas” when the reality is that he lived in the western part of Texas. Was the person that wrote that article mistaken or did he do it on purpose? I’m sure it was a simple mistake. However, according to your so-called logic, Bush lived in West, TX simply because one article said so.

          • Jason Swenson

            my comment was about the facebook page, as to your comment, a birth certificate is taken at face value as proof of the information contained therein.

          • http://nolp.blogspot.com/ davidfarrar

            I stand corrected. I apologize

            ex animo
            davidfarrar

  • daverg

    tell me this:
    1- why did obama lose his lawyer license in Chicago?
    2- how did obama use Rezko to fake his real estate transaction in Chicago?
    3- how and when did obama change his name from saotao to obama
    4- how do you explain the number of AP articles in 2000s saying obama was born in Kenya
    5- how do you explain the college entrance adm who has copies of obama’s entrance application saying he is not a US citizen
    6- how do you explain millions of KENYAN who say Obama was born in Kenya
    7- how do you explain that obama is running around with a fake SSN
    8- how do you explain that the US CODE says that OBama’s mother was TOO YOUNG to pass along AMERICAN citizenship when OBAMA was born?
    9- how do you explain that CHIEF JUSTICE WAITE SAID That a constitutional natural born citizen requires TWO US PARENTS as CITIZENS ?
    10-how do you explain dozens of witnesses who spoke to obama before 2008 hearing him say he was born in Kenya?
    11- how do you explain his own wife in several youtube videos saying obama was born in kenya
    12- how do you explain obama going on an extended trip on an Indonesian passport in the 1980s to pakistan when US did not allow extended trips to the nation?
    13- how do you explain all the experts, including one from OBAMA’s own law firm, proving without a doubt that his internet posted birth certificate is a fraud?
    14- how do you explain that several officials in the Hawaii DOH have stated “it is a known fact that OBama does not have a birth certificate and that the officials are covering it up?”
    15- how do you explain the fact that no Hospital in Hawaii , even the one allegedly listed on his birth certificate, refuses to recognize obama was borne there?
    16- how do you explain that fact that the obama’s never lived at the address listed in the newspaper or birth certificate and none of the neighbors ever saw him there?
    17- how do you explain the fact that the INS records, the complete set, shows only ONE WEEK missing , interesting enough the week Obama was born ?
    18- how do you explain the fact that Bill Ayers post man was introduced to Obama as a foreign exchange student from Kenya?
    19- how do you explain the fact that Alan Keyes when debating obama for senate race got obama to admit that he wasn’t constitutionally qualified to be president?
    20- how to you explain that obama’s own grandmother says he was born in Kenya and she was a witness to it?
    21- how do you explain that fact that obama’s selective service application is a forgery?
    22- how do you explain that obama has put out at least FIVE different internet forged “birth certificates” and they are all fakes !
    23- how do you explain the fact that the cold case posse started trying to prove obama was legit but all the evidence they found to date says NO NO NO and NO !
    24- how do you explain the fact that Hawaii said Sun Yet Sen was born there too, when obviously he was born in China ?Seems to anyone with a brain Hawaii has a problem,
    25- how do you explain the fact that Hawaii allows foreign born babies to be registered as born in Hawaii ?
    26- how do you explain the fact that Hawaii DOH letter to Arizona SOS uses weasel words never admitting obama was born in HAwaii and never verifying the date of his birth ?
    27- How do you explain the fact that the Governor of HAwaii said he was there when obama was born, said he would look into it, and when he did he back peddled faster than michael jackson?
    28 how do you explain the fact that obama is half white and half black, yet anyone who sees this facts are racists?
    29 how do you explain the fact that the best you “mythers” can do is insult people and not provide reasonable facts ?

    and that is just the tip of the iceberg.

    too many facts to dispute them all
    and you know it
    you have been exposed as a fake and fraud

    • AKRNC

      And you’ve exposed yourself as the ignorant fool you are because everything on your stupid list has been thoroughly debunked. Only an idiot would still be pretending that any of the above has anything to do with President Obama. Try reading something other than RWNJ and birther sites if you want the truth.

  • http://nolp.blogspot.com/ davidfarrar

    Actually, I don’t think any Obama supporter can come up with one single, independent, corroborative piece of evidence that would substantiate any information contained in Obama’s birth certificate, even if that information was verified as a true reflection of the information contained in his HDOH files.

    ex animo
    davidfarrar
    *Independent of HDOH files.

    • HistorianDude

      You seem unclear on the concept. A state issued and certified birth certificate requires no independent, corroborative evidence at all. That’s why we invented them in the first place. I refer you to Rule 902 of the Federal Rules of Evidence.

      • Reality Check

        Would anyone care to take my bet that David misuses the term “prima facie” incorrectly in a comment here within an hour?

        • Jason Swenson

          I don’t bet against sure things

          • Reality Check

            You are wise Jason. I think David already abused the term here today.

          • Jason Swenson

            I am sure that is not the only thing he abused

      • http://nolp.blogspot.com/ davidfarrar

        We are talking about establishing the qualifications of the President of the United States. We are not talking about getting a passport or driver’s license.

        Moreover, state birth certificates are designed to register births, not to prove identity or any other information contained in a birth certificate. The Department of Health and Human Services, Office of Inspector General did a study under the title of: “OEI-07-99-00570″/>BIRTH CERTIFICATE FRAUD

        It’s FINDINGS:

        A certified copy of a birth certificate is proof only that a birth occurred and was recorded.

        Obama’s birth certificate “Proves” that a live birth occurred and that that birth was recorded by state authorities. All the other information contained on Obama’s birth certificate has to be proven the old fashion way: by a preponderance of evidence.

        Since remarkably, Obama has not provided one, single, solitary, independent*, corroborative piece of evidence in support any of the claims made on his birth certificate, an examination of the Hawaiian Health Department records is in order to trace the evidence the Hawaiian Health registrar used to create their file and trace their path to a live birth decision.

        Again, when you stop and consider what’s at stake here; how hard can this be, especially when the worse that can happen to Obama is that he will be proven qualified?

        ex animo

        davidfarrar

        • HistorianDude

          There is no difference. The authority of the state that issued the birth certificate is not different based on whether we are talking about a drivers license or the presidency. In either case that authority is absolute lacking any rebutting evidence.

          And there is no rebutting evidence.

        • Jason Swenson

          I have to say that is one of the more ridiculous posts on the subject that I have ever seen. Even for you this remarkably stupid. we have a system set up reliant on birth certificates and documents provided by governmental agencies and you want proof independent of that? I want to see how you react the next time you get pulled over for a ticket and the cop doesn’t accept your license of proof of your identity.

          • http://nolp.blogspot.com/ davidfarrar

            We are taking about meeting the qualifications for the President of the United States. There is more involved here than simply waiving a birth certificate around and assuming it “proves” anything.

            Americans have a right to know their president has met his constitutional burden, not simply believe he has because a piece of paper says so.

            Now if his BC had probative value, that would be a different story. But nothing contained in Obama’s BC can be proven. That alone is reason enough to publish his natal records.

            We don’t even know if Dr. Sinclair was the private delivery physician or an employee working for HDOH.

            I think one thing is clear, this nation needs to actually vet their presidential and vice-presidential nominees for 2016 other than their own political parties.

            ex animo
            davidfarrar

          • Trentonian

            Lord, David, your understanding of the language is really poor.

            Having “probative value” means that the document itself serves as proof, not that the information contained therein has to be established elsewhere.

            Remember FRE §902, David? That’s the one that defines self-authenticating documents. Take a look at that, and think about what *self*-authenticating means.

            All state documents with stamps and seals are prima facie evidence of the data they contain. That applies to the COLB, the long-form, the letters of verification, and so on.

            It’s really a very simple concept.

          • Jason Swenson

            Trent, he believes that he has legal training. It is really rather embarrassing when he talks law

          • http://nolp.blogspot.com/ davidfarrar

            Nonsense. The office of the President of the United States is, above all, a political office. No piece of paper is going to be enough to prove a candidate has met his/her constitutional burden to take the oath of office of the President of the United State when that document has been brought into serious question in the court of public opinion. It’s just that simple.

            If Obama believes he can govern effectively when he has failed to establish his own credentials to hold that office, history, of course, will be the final judge, but any responsible person elected to the office of the President of the United States would move heaven and earth to remove any doubt whatsoever as the meeting of any constitutionally required qualifications.

            ex animo
            davidfarrar

          • Trentonian

            You really think that Obama’s qualifications were “brought into serious question in the court of public opinion”? That’s odd. It doesn’t seem to have prevented sizable majorities from electing him twice. I don’t recall the public outcry about his eligibility.

            But fear not; all is not lost. The will of the people can still be expressed through our representatives in Congress. Oh, what’s that you say?

            Our Constitution and our laws have provisions for addressing concerns like yours. Unfortunately, you won’t always pleased with the outcome, but our laws and traditions have been observed and Barack Obama is our President.

          • Trentonian

            Let me add, David, that you said something very significant here — your claim that the President should “move heaven and earth to remove any doubt whatsoever” concerning his Constitutional eligibility.

            But surely you are exaggerating, David. Surely you can’t expect him to remove “any doubt whatsoever.” After all, that would mean that the President had to answer the very last doubt to the satisfaction of the very last person or else be found unfit to hold office. If there were a deranged lunatic who believed Obama was an alien space lizard, the President would be required to prove that was not the case, I presume prior to inauguration.

            Now, I imagine you will say, don’t be absurd. Of course a crazy question like that would be worthy of nothing but dismissal, if not contempt.

            And I think most of us here would agree with you. Where we would differ would be in our opinion that the questions you have raised are of comparable worth and merit comparable treatment.

          • HistorianDude

            The claim that Obama’s birth certificate has “no probative value” is a claim so absurd that one can only wonder at the massive rationalization and equivocation that is responsible for allowing it to reach David’s keyboard.

            As to the “right of Americans to know” anything, I can only point out that all rights come with responsibilities, and that the responsibility to satisfy that right lays with the American exclusively. Each and every one of us must decide what our personal threshold of confidence is, what the evidence we personally require might be, and then act on it.

            But ultimately, each and every one of us has a powerful Constitutional remedy for our dissatisfaction, should we personally feel the candidate in question has not met our personal standards. We can withhold our vote.

            It is my hope, David, that you did not vote for Obama. And with that act, you have exercised your right and executed your responsibility.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            The next time that a cop pulls you over, open your laptop and show him a scan of your drivers license. . . See how that goes over.

          • Jason Swenson

            We are talking about two different things, but since you confuse pdfs with actual documents, I can understand your complete and utter delusion

          • TorchnPitchforks

            The stupidity of you libtards neve ceases to amaze me. For your eduction: pdf is just a saving format.
            When I create a graphic file, I can save it to many formats such as jpg, tif, gif, bmp, pdf and dozens more. .

            Here is my avatar in three different formats: jpg, gif and png. I also have in pdf, however, apparently Disqus does not support it.

            If you spend some time learnig, maybe you wouldn’t constantly make an idiot of yourself!

          • Jason Swenson

            Really? I am talking about actual documents vs. digital documents while you are talking about different formats of digital documents.

            Still wanna talk about how stupid you are?

          • TorchnPitchforks

            What’s goint to take to get it through your thick, Obozo fluffing head that an image on a computer screen is NOT a document?

          • Jason Swenson

            I never said it was. In fact, that is the point, it isn’t. The term digital document refers to format only.

            You cannot say that a document is a forgery by looking at a digital reproduction of it. When you get that, you must just understand what an a-hole you really are.

          • HistorianDude

            And each different format you save it in creates a completely different document, none of which are the original, and none of which can be used to determine the authenticity of the original.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            There is no original LFBC you idiot!

          • HistorianDude

            One State Registrar and two State Directors of Health (one from each party) say there is. Under the US Constitution I have no choice but to accept those statements as true.

          • HistorianDude

            Ahh…. I see at least part of your problem there TnP. You are hallucinating that somehow, somewhere the President must have an obligation to show his birth certificate to YOU.

            SPOILER ALERT:

            You will never, ever, in your entire life, get within 300 feet of the President’s birth certificate. The best YOU will ever get to see is a scan.

            Sorry to burst your delusion of grandeur.

      • TorchnPitchforks

        That does not apples to forgeries!

        • HistorianDude

          Since there is no evidence of a forgery, so what?

          • TorchnPitchforks

            Not in the Obamholes room temperature IQ!

  • regginnekcuf

    whats the kenyans name this week? soetero, obama, who knows…maybe reggie, his body man will write a tell all one day

    • Jason Swenson

      Actually, the gentleman from Hawaii goes by Mr. President.

      • Cold Case Posse Supporter

        Allegedly from Hawaii.

        • Jason Swenson

          As a matter of law, he was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            Allegedly!

          • Jason Swenson

            I guess you do not understand the term “as a matter of law”

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            Since the birth certificate is fraudulent. That birth date can’t be taken as face value as the accurate date of the his birth.

          • HistorianDude

            You’re right Jason. He has no idea what the term “as a matter of law” means.

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            Oh yes I do.

          • Jason Swenson

            No, you clearly do not.

          • HistorianDude

            Nope. Not even close.

          • Trentonian

            I must have missed your answer to my question.

            Again, what evidence do you have to show that the COLB is fraudulent?

          • Jason Swenson

            Since Hawaii has produced certified copies, yes it does under the full faith and credit clause of the Constitution and the Federal Rules of Evidence. I would say in every state court as well, which is probable but I don’t know every states’ individual Rules of Evidence.

            No matter how many times you say it fraudulent, two things remain true. A certified copy will be admitted and birthers have the burden of proving that it is fraudulent. You can’t, You lose.

      • TorchnPitchforks

        Actually, this week he goes by “Putin’s Spitoon”!

        • Jason Swenson

          What a disrespectful piece of crap you really are.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            I give that enemy of America, pile of living garbage that YOU call pResident, the respect he deserves!

          • Jason Swenson

            You are not even an American.

          • Wakey1

            It really is remarkable how quick these “patriots” are to applaud Putin for disrespecting our President.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            Obozo’s greatest accomplishment: To get Americans to root for Putin. . .

          • Jason Swenson

            And yours?

          • Jason Swenson

            Why do you have such an inferiority complex? It is justly deserved, mind, but I am curious. Did you not get enough hugs from your mother? Is it about the lack of size of your “unmanhood”? I don’t really care, but I am curious.

          • HistorianDude

            Nah, not most Americans. Especially not the smart Americans. Just the haters.

          • Wakey1

            I think you forgot the “un-”…

          • TorchnPitchforks

            I saved it for the Obamaholes. . .

          • TorchnPitchforks

            Only the sick mind of a Libtard Obahole, can confuse being an American with giving allegiance to a scumbag politician!

          • Jason Swenson

            I respect the office of the President of the United States, as should all Americans.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            I will respect that office only after it has been disinfected and fumigated.

            Americans couldn’t care less about what you think they should do!

          • Jason Swenson

            More of them think like do than think like you do. Hopefully, you are the last generation of your kind

          • TorchnPitchforks

            Dream on: Unlike you idiots, we reproduce!

          • Jason Swenson

            Taking a $hit is not reproduction.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            For once you are right: However, that’s as close to it as you will ever get!

          • Jason Swenson

            hmmm, really, my three kids might disagree

          • TorchnPitchforks

            Make sure you flush them before they stink up your mother’s basement.

          • Jason Swenson

            We are talking about my kids, not your wife

          • TorchnPitchforks

            Again, allow me to educated you: Turds are not kids. . . Sure, you can hold them and rock them, but sooner or later you will have to flush them.

          • Jason Swenson

            You are too slow. I couldn’t think as slowly as you do if I tried.

          • Pogue Moran

            What are you peewee herman? He just made the same exact joke to you and you just copied it. Find better writers Carl.

          • Jason Swenson

            psst-taking a dump is not a reproductive function.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            I can understant how a hate filled basement-dweller like you, can consider having a family an impossibility. . . You are burying yoursel deeper and deeper!

            You should consider taking your head out of your @$$ long enough for your $h!t encrusted brain cells to get some oxigen!

          • Jason Swenson

            Do you really think that anything you say has any effect on me or even remotely resembles the truth? You cannot insult me because your opinion of me means nothing.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            It really shows. . .

          • Jason Swenson

            Good. We both know that I am telling the truth. Your refusal to address anything substantive shows how scared you are. It is clear that you are holding it together by the slimmest of margins.

          • HistorianDude

            Politics is not genetic. This is demonstrated by the large number of birthers who whine about how their hatred has alienated them from their children.

          • Pogue Moran

            inbreeding doesn’t count mr swenson. You should try dating outside your sister or mother.

        • Ryan Darby

          It’s hilarious how you’re respecting a KGB man more than the President of the United States.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            That’s Obozo’s greatest accomplishment: To get Americans to root for Putin!

  • Jason Swenson

    You don’t give the investigation of the most serious crime in the history of the world to a used car salesman. It is as simple as that. Real criminal investigations don’t beg for donations. Real detectives don’t do interviews during the investigate. Serious people do not go on Alex Jones’ show and people who are telling to the truth are not afraid of opposing voices.

    • Cold Case Posse Supporter

      Detectives do interviews all the time in criminal cases. They just don’t release their best evidence to the public that could jeopardize their case. Also so what if Zullo helped out with the family business that dealt with vehicles. That doesn’t change his knowledge of criminal law enforcement training he received in the past and with the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office since 06. You desperation to smear is evident.

      • Jason Swenson

        Never seen it before. Zullo is a defense attorney’s wet dream. He can’t shut up and he can’t tell the truth.

        Zullo is not a cop and certainly not a detective. He is a used car salesman running a con.

        • Cold Case Posse Supporter

          Again, Zullo is head of the Cold Case Posse. He doesn’t sell cars.

          • Jason Swenson

            Isn’t he a volunteer? Does he draw a salary? This is a revelation. We were always told that he was a volunteer and not getting paid for his work with the CCP. so which is it?

          • Jason Swenson

            According to this, they are not compensated:

            http://www.mcso.org/About/Posse.aspx

            So we are back to Zullo being a used car salesman, I guess.

          • Reality Check

            And living of Mom and Dad’s money.

          • Cold Case Posse Supporter

            You don’t know that. What makes you an expert of Mike Zullo’s personal finances?

          • Jason Swenson

            How does Zullo make money?

          • Jason Swenson

            no reply? he sells used cars.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            You should try it: It’s a lot better than sitting in your mother’s basement collecting welfare and food stamp!

          • Jason Swenson

            Why is that always the birther/teabagger response. You have no idea what I do for living. But it is sure as heck better than conning gullible birthers for money, harder probably, but better.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            I find it intersting that you libtards always use the term “teabagger” to disparage the Tea Party.

            Since teabagging is an almost exclusive libtard pastime, you are just showing your subconscious self-hatred!

          • HistorianDude

            And with that spasm, TnP finally melts down into a bubbling puddle of hate filled chicken fat.

          • Jason Swenson

            I find it funny about how many conservative christian politicians end up in a bathroom in a compromising position with some male staff member.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            Since your answer was so pathetically predictable, that’s why I used the word “ALMOST”.

            Check Mate!

          • Jason Swenson

            I doubt you even know what check mate means

    • TorchnPitchforks

      Just like Dr. Conspiracyobamahole. trying to shut down the opposing voice by filing complaints with the IRS?

      • Jason Swenson

        I have been banned from birther sites. Birthers are free to spew their garbage on anti birther sites. He is not trying to shut them down, just make them accountable.

        • TorchnPitchforks

          Sure he is. . .

          • Jason Swenson

            The CCP is running a con. They are required by law to disclose their finances. Shouldn’t they show them?

          • TorchnPitchforks

            To you? Too bad that Dr. Obamhole cannot go directly to Loiis Lerner. . .

          • Jason Swenson

            To the public.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            Of course, that’s because you are concerned with protecting the birhters donations.

            You pathetic LYING scumbag!

          • Jason Swenson

            You can call me anything you want to, but the fact remains that the CCP’s finances are supposed to be public and they are not. It is also true that he is running a scam. I, for one, would like to see if he is being paid by the CCP, because he is supposed to be a volunteer.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            Yeah right . . . Your obssession with Zullo is just a public service!

          • Jason Swenson

            You are damned right it is. He belongs in prison.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            I’m sure he’s really scared of you.

          • HistorianDude

            You’d be amazed at the people he’s scared of.

          • Reality Check

            lol

          • Jason Swenson

            I can think of two, one of which is posting

          • Jason Swenson

            There is no reason for him to be scared of me. I am not a cop or a DA. I can not bring or press charges against him. Unlike birthers, I do not believe in phony Citizen Grand Juries. He didn’t con me. There is literally nothing I can do to him except expose him for the grifter, con artist, lying piece of scum that he is.

            But make no mistake, he is terrified to appear with anyone who does not genuflect to him. He will not expose himself to real scrutiny. So while he may not be afraid of me, he is still a coward, as is Carl Gallups.

      • Cold Case Posse Supporter

        Exactly. Good point.

      • HistorianDude

        How is one “just like” the other? Exactly?

        • TorchnPitchforks

          Way above your room temperature IQ!

          • HistorianDude

            So you don’t know? Okay.

  • Ryan Darby

    Anyone who honestly believes that the State of Hawaii would set up a conspiracy decades in the making to prop up a very, very unlikely candidate for president running against a war hero while America was fighting two wars at a time, anyone who believes that there was some kind of conspiracy that convoluted, is an idiot. Plain and simple. And that’s ignoring the FACT that Obama’s mother was a US Citizen and thus (by most interpretations of the Constitution) he is as well. I’m no fan of President Obama (in fact I voted Green Party last year), but to call him ineligible for office is idiotic and frankly bigoted. If a Barry O’Malley had been born in Hawaii but spent years of his life in Ireland and Gibraltar, there would not be this kind of insane Birther talk.

    • TorchnPitchforks

      You libtards wanted a black pResident so badly, that you would have voted for Idi Amin if he had run. . .

      If even ONE of Obozo’s IDs was real, there would not be this kind of insane Birther talk.

      • Trentonian

        TnP — “If even ONE of Obozo’s IDs was real…”

        Hey, maybe you can answer the question that CCPS has been ducking!

        What evidence do you have that the COLB is not real?

        • TorchnPitchforks

          He has never presented one!

          • Jason Swenson

            Did you not see it? No one wonder you are confused. The rest of use saw it.

          • Trentonian

            Well, we can quibble about the word “presented.” There’s no legal requirement for a President (or a candidate) to produce a birth certificate to some official body during a campaign, and no President has ever done so.

            But there clearly is such a document, as the easily found photos prove. So I ask you, what evidence do you have that that document is not real?

          • TorchnPitchforks

            I am not quibbling with the word “presented”. I just wanted to point out that an image on a computer screen is not a document. . . Photos on a website prove nothing!

            So, he has “produced” or “presented” nothing!

            BTW, Eisehower was required to produce an affidavit signed by witnesse beause he did not have a recorded birth certificate. So other candidates have been required to prove theirt eligibility.

            The simple truth is that you libtards wanted a “black” pResident so badly that you would have voted for Idi Amin.

          • Jason Swenson

            As usual, you are lying. Eisenhower was not required to produce anything, but his BC is demonstrably fake.

            What information appears on the original document that is different from the pdf?

          • TorchnPitchforks

            No one has seen the original, you idiot! Because it does not exist!

          • Jason Swenson

            And you have exactly nothing other than your deluded mind to support that, now do you?

          • HistorianDude

            Actually, at least the following people have seen the original: Dr. Alvin Onaka, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Loretta Fuddy. All have declared it completely authentic and oridnary,

          • TorchnPitchforks

            Why aren’t they in jail? No one is allowed to see it!

          • HistorianDude

            What would lead you believe that no one is allowed to see it? My god, Carl, but is anything you believe actually based on even the smallest nano-truth?

          • TorchnPitchforks
          • Jason Swenson

            Lol, I have read everything on the subject. He was never REQUIRED to produce it.

          • Trentonian

            You are still ducking my question, aren’t you!

            No one said that the images are documents. But they clearly are photos of a document, and I’m asking you what evidence you have that the document in the photos is not real, which is what you claimed.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            I am not ducking your question:
            His LFBC is FAKE.
            His draft registration is FAKE.
            His Social Security number is FAKE.
            All his other records are HIDDEN.

            Smells like a fraud. . . Talks like a fraud. . . Hides like fraud. . . He is FRAUD.

            Would you like to see a picture of my coronation certificate making me King of England?

          • Trentonian

            Of course you’re ducking my question! I asked you what evidence you had that the COLB was fake. What have you come up with?

            Putting “fake” in capital letters is not only not evidence, but a clear indication of your frustration at being unable to come up with any.

            And, even with your barrage of capital letters, you didn’t even mention the COLB!

            So far, total fail.

          • Jason Swenson

            Torchy mistakes his opinion for fact, just like all birthers.

          • HistorianDude

            This is a lie. Eisenhower was required to present nothing to anybody. Some interested third party felt bad because he did not have a birth certificate, so they went through the trouble of getting him one. It had nothing to do with any election, or meeting any qualification for the Presidency.

      • Jason Swenson

        hat is axiomatically false since there is no evidence that any of his documents are not real.

        • TorchnPitchforks

          Only in your libtard brain.

          • Trentonian

            Come on, you can do better than to reply only with insults, can’t you?

            I ask again, what’s the evidence that the COLB is not real? That’s a real simple, direct question, and your failure to come close to providing any evidence to answer it strongly suggests that you’re not aware of any.

          • HistorianDude

            Ultimately Trentonian, no. He cannot do better. The vacuous insult is his final recourse at every turn.

            Meanwhile, we have still won all the court cases, and Obama is still President of the United States,

          • TorchnPitchforks

            You keep on saying “we”. You have yet to point out preciselly in what case YOU were in court. . .

            I haven’t lost any cases, because have never been involved in one!

            If I ever do, you can rest assured that Obozo will have Koran shoved up his @$$ and be shipped to Guantanamo where he belongs!

          • Jason Swenson

            lol, you would piss your pants so fast it would be hysterical

          • TorchnPitchforks

            Allow me to explain something to you: Some of us actually don’t live in our mothers basement as you clearly do. We actually have children instead of keeping turds in a blanket (do you sing them lullabies?).

            As difficult this may be for you to undrstand, we can actually face life without pissing our pants. . .

            Rest assured, you are not earning your welfare check!

          • Jason Swenson

            Lol. You live your entire life in fear. All birthers do.

            And by the way, I can probably buy and sell you ten times over. You might want to try a new line of insults. Your material is very old.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            Sorry, you can’t: I am worth more than $16.50.

            Considering how fast you jump, this line of insults is working just fine. I see no need to change it.

          • Jason Swenson

            Think again a$$wipe.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            Yeap. . . Less than 16 seconds. . . it’s working just fine

          • Jason Swenson

            I just happen to be on. You still don’t get it, do you? You exist in my world for one reason and one reason only. Entertainment. As dumb as Farrar is, as dumb as Cold case supporter is, they are at least attempting to discuss facts and law. They are wrong. Demonstrably pathetically wrong, but they are at least trying to offer something. You offer nothing but insults and hyperbole.

            I told you before, you can’t insult me. In order for someone to insult me I have to respect that person’s opinion. You are a birther, a traitor, a vile, despicable waste of human flesh. I say that not because of anything you say about me. I have been called worse by better people than you. But you clearly have a cold, dark heart and a rock where your brain should be. I actually pity you because you have no sense of self awareness and are incapable of learning or growing.

            I can point to a thousand differences between us, One of the biggest is the fact if there were that in the one in ten trillion chance that BC was actually forged I would be bitter and angry, not because I was wrong, but because of the fraud, but I would accept the findings. But if the reverse were true and a Court found the BC to be legit, which it would, you would cry corruption and claim that the judges should be thrown in jail. It is just another reason why you are unamerican and not fit to live under the freedoms this Country provides.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            14 seconds.

          • Jason Swenson

            You can’t even tell time

          • HistorianDude

            TnP can’t seem to measure time either. It must be so hard to be him.

          • nogeeksadmin

            Because you are a douchèbag with nothing better to do? LOL.

          • Pogue Moran

            $16.50? You aren’t even worth the coat hanger I lent your mother decades ago.

          • HistorianDude

            Obama is still president. We have still won all the court cases. And you are still posting about turds and pants pissing.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            The turds and and pants piss is your idiotic angry friend idea and clearly, favorite subject.

            For the last time, in what court case were YOU involved?

          • HistorianDude

            For the last time, I’m not going tell you what court cases I have been involved in.

            But we have won them all, and you have lost them all.

          • nogeeksadmin

            Very wise decision posting as Guest, because using your real info would be tantamount to publicly peeing your pants in the Town Square, you infantile jackwagon.

          • CE

            Wow- you are drinkin’ that right wing Kool-Aid. Do you have original ideas or get all of them through osmosis while your head is up Rush’s keester?

          • TorchnPitchforks

            If you insist: Just the fact that there is at least ONE proportionally spaced character (clearly visible in the all caps typing), makes the entire thing a fake!

            I know, I know, Hawaii was the first state to have Selectrics. . .

            Wanna buy a bridge? Come to thinlk of it, you already did, from Obozo.

          • Trentonian

            HUH? What are you talking about? The COLB was created on a laser printer. The printing is done with computer fonts.

            Your comment about the Selectric is completely irrelevant and rather bizarre. You’ve really got nothing! It’s amazing how much blustering you’ve been doing based on a total lack of evidence.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            Unlike you idiots, I can admit when I make a mistake: I just took a quick glace at it; and it just jumped at me.
            I just forgot that the COLB is a computer generated form. . .
            Come to think of it, that alone makes it totally suspect: Anyone can make one and put anything they want in it!

          • Trentonian

            I appreciate the correction.

            So, with your having withdrawn the one piece of evidence you’ve tried to offer, you’re now back to zero, right?

          • TorchnPitchforks

            Well, no: A computer generated form is just that. . . Anyone could have made it!
            Don’t even mention the “seal”: $49.95 at dozens of websites.

            Since all the other IDs have been proved to be fake, the burden of proof shifts. The COLB.is fake until proved otherwise!

            You bounce three checks. . . Don’t expect people to cash a fourth one.

          • HistorianDude

            The burden of proof does not shift until birthers come up with actual rebutting evidence to the President’s birth certificate… wait…. scratch that….

            Under the Federal Rules of Evidence, the burden of proof does not shift until birthers come up actual rebutting evidence to the mere off hand claim by the President that “I was born in Hawaii.”

            Yes. I am not making this up. Under the FRE, Obama simply making that claim establishes the presumptive truth that birthers have to overcome. And after more than 5 years of trying, they have yet to even come up with the evidence to do that.

          • Reality Check

            Checks that are certified by banks multiple times don’t bounce.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            Just wait until you get one from Craigslist.

          • Reality Check

            When are you paying off the bet TnP.? Or are you just a welshing liar?

          • TorchnPitchforks

            I haven’t seen you do anything!

          • Reality Check

            I posted this file I scanned on a Xerox WorkCentre 7535

            https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3N_1UB8M52jcE5FaHUtY3NSUFU/edit?usp=sharing

            Download it and look at the file properties.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            Am I supposed to be impressed by just another copy of the LFBC in .png format? It’s just an image without any layers.

            I want my $1,000.00 in gold. I’m sure that even your cash would bounce!

          • Trentonian

            TnP — “Don’t even mention the “seal”: $49.95 at dozens of websites.”
            __

            LOL, I hope you don’t think you’re getting away with silliness like that!

            Rule 902 of the Federal Rules of Evidence simply requires (in addition to a signature stamp) “a seal purporting to be that of the United States; any state, district, commonwealth, territory, or insular possession of the United States; the former Panama Canal Zone; the Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands; a political subdivision of any of these entities; or a department, agency, or officer of any entity named above…”

            Notice the part about “purporting to be”? The seal on the COLB purports to be an official State of Hawaii seal. If you wish to prove it phony, be my guest. That’s just one of the many ways you can prove a self-authenticating document to be invalid.

            But what’s your proof that it’s not an authentic seal? Regardless of your posturing, the burden remains on you. Unless you can discredit the COLB with evidence, it is presumed to be valid.

            And that’s why I keep asking you if you have any pertinent evidence. The burden is yours under the law, and your empty that it is not is of no consequence.

            So, what evidence have you got that the COLB is fake?

          • Pogue Moran

            Sorry but here in America it doesn’t work backwards. The COLB is self authenticating. It was verified back in 2009 thus your claim that it must be fake because you believe any documents supporting Obama must be fake, doesn’t make it so.

          • Reality Check

            Good, I am glad to hear that you will admit your mistakes. Now you can admit that you made a mistake when you called me a liar when I said I had access to a Xerox 7535 and pay up on the wager.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            My mistake: I didn’t know that the welfare office is open on Sundays!

          • Pogue Moran

            Wow another birther who looks before he leaps color me surprised.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            Do you still Fluke your mother?

          • Pogue Moran

            Another unoriginl comment by carl swenson. Seriously seek new writers. Is your father still “fluking” you?

          • TorchnPitchforks

            What’s “unorigini”? Oh well, I couldn’t possibly expect obamaholes to be able to write English.
            After all, English is what, your third language?
            Oh yes. . . I remember seeing your mother (The Michelin Man daughter) testifying at the Zimmerman trial.
            Who the fluke is carl swenson?

          • Pogue Moran

            Obviously you cant read either. Ah did you try hitting on my “mother” i heard you do like fat woman since you cant get anything else. Apparently the coat hanger I lent your mother damaged your brain since you cant answer direct questions and revert to copying what other people say to you. Face it you cant change that the President is the president.

          • HistorianDude

            Sigh… another birther who can’t tell the difference between “proportional spaced characters” and the ordinary products of an ordinary mechanical typewriter.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            Here you idiot:

      • Ryan Darby

        I didn’t vote for him either time, so your argument doesn’t apply to me. And surely people wanted a female president just as bad as they wanted a black president?

        Either way, you never addressed my point, that any plot to alter records and so forth would have had to be so long-going and so convoluted that it’s basically at the same level of Illuminati conspiracy theories.

        Also, Obama’s mother was a citizen, so according to most modern readings of the Constitution, he is as well. Do you think Ted Cruz is eligible for the presidency?

        • TorchnPitchforks

          It’s obvious that Obozo had more dirt on Hillary than she had on him. . . After all, she was the original birther.

          There is no need for any complex plot. Assuming that Obozo is even the person that he claims to be (doubtful, considering the 57 states and the navy corpse-man), When his mother returned to Hawaii from Kenya, of course she would want him to be an American citizen and registered the birth. it’s that simple.

          If he was actually born in Hawaii (a snow ball’s chance in Hell), then he would be a NBC. Since notwistanding popular belief, no court has ruled on the two citizens parent issue.

          • Pogue Moran

            If there is no need for such a complex plot how come every answer to every question posed to you seems to add a new layer to the “conspiracy”? Thus far you’ve claimed that Hillary Clinton is in on it as well as officials at the Department of Health. Since you claim the selective service card is forged that would require officials of the Bush administration to be in on it as well since the Selective Service Card wasn’t made public by Obama and was instead released in 2008 by Selective Service through a Freedom of Information Act Request. So this would require them in on it. If the Social is fake this would require the SSA to be in on it going back to 1977 when they assigned it to him. This would require multiple administrations over the course of several decades.

            Further it would require the IRS to be in on it going back several decades as well since he filed his taxes under that number. Thus yes according to your claims it would take a rather complex plot and conspiracy spanning decades with at least a thousand people involved.

            Rick Perry recently claimed he was in Florida last weekend when he was in Louisiana so according to your logic he must not be who he says he is either. There was no possible way for the kenyan birth scenario to work. Actually Ankeny V Daniels ruled on the “two citizen parent” nonsense and decided it was nonexistent.

          • TorchnPitchforks

            I was going to reply. However, after seing your other posts; I only have one question for you: Do you still Fluke your mother?

          • Pogue Moran

            And this is exactly what I meant by your immitation of Peewee Herman. I already explained to you about how inbreeding amongst your family doesnt count as reproducing and you come back with something about fluking my mother? Do you really have to copy other peoples material because youre completely unoriginal carl.i also notice you didnt answer my question.

          • HistorianDude

            1. Neither Clinton nor anybody on her staff or involved in her campaign were birthers. Birthism was invented on March 1, 2008 on the right-wing web forum Free Republic.

            2. Had his mother “returned from Kenya” it would have been a trivial exercise under US law to have him naturalized… certainly much easier than faking a Hawaiian birth. The only reason for going through all that extra trouble would have been if she somehow knew he would someday be president. And so we are back to the insane birther theory that a bi-racial baby was identified as the future president in 1961.

          • Toschano

            Birther was born the night of the debate when Obama challenged McCain to his right of citizenship.

          • Jason Swenson

            Yeah, you did know that Obama sponsored SR 511 right?

          • Toschano

            Yes, all that was was a resolution to recognize, not a Bill to introduce or initiate. I’m not sure what the strategy was for that resolution but the FACT is that offspring born of service personnel while serving had been going on for quite a long time prior to this resolution. Just ask any serviceman or woman. Notice the resolution isn’t legalizing anything; only the recognition of McCain. And, even still, he challenged his position at the debate! Interesting, isn’t it?

          • Jason Swenson

            My point is that the President never questioned McCain’s eligibility

          • HistorianDude

            It has nothing to do with being a serviceman. The children of civilians born overseas are just as much NBC as the children of service people.

            And no… Obama never challenged McCain’s eligibility.

          • CE

            No- rather pathetic.

          • HistorianDude

            What drugs were you on that night? Obama never “challenged McCain to his right of citizenship.” In fact, he cosponsored the Senate Resolution declaring McCain eligible for the Presidency.

          • CE

            Whaaa?!?!?

          • CE

            Get back on the meds rightie.

          • William

            1: Everything you said is complete speculation with no evidence.

            2: How do you explain the two newspapers that were independently owned that both reported his birth on the day he was born?

            3: Why would the Democratic party do this? They wouldn’t have to do it! They had Hillary. Also basically any major democrat could have won in 2008. It’s not like they had to choose Obama because they had no other options.

            4: Why would even the illuminati do this? Again, they could have picked someone actually born in the U.S. (Which Obama was). Even if they pre-select presidents at birth, why would they go out of their way to pick someone from another country? There is no motive to do that!!

            See, even when I humor the most insane conspiracy theory (#4), it STILL doesn’t hold up under it’s own logic.

        • Toschano

          Wanna bet that we will be able to obtain Ted Cruz’s records? One question…who’s passport is Obama on when he went to Indonesia? The country was off limits and he wasn’t old enough to carry his own. Oh, that’s right, it isn’t open for scrutiny. In fact, none of his records are. I’m not a birther but I want to know…and if he wants universal background checks, I expect his to be #1 and open to us.

          • Jason Swenson

            Another birther lie.

          • HistorianDude

            Man, you can even spout birther bullsh*t without completely garbling it. The birther claim is that Pakistan (not Indonesia) was off limits when he went there. The problem is that neither Indonesia nor Pakistan have ever been off limits for travel by Americans on a US passport.

            Ever.

          • nogeeksadmin

            I want to check your birth records and find out why your mom was allowed to bring you to term.

      • sirjonk

        Right, that’s why we had president Jesse Jackson….

      • Nat Turner 1881

        Idi Amin would have found you BIRTHERS, and done the right thing!!

      • CE

        I think that it’s ironic that you call us “tards”.

    • sirjonk

      If he had been born outside of the country instead of Hawaii (which he was not), he would not have been a citizen by birth as his mother was only 18, and had therefore not lived in the US for 5 years past her 14th birthday, as the law requires. Of course since he was born in Hawaii, it’s a moo point.

      • CE

        BTW- it’s “moot”.

  • Jason Swenson

    The walls are closing in on the birthers. Zullo has committed perjury. The CCP is not complying with tax laws. Arpaio is distancing himself from the CCP. Every congressman they approach rejects them. Gallups is whining every chance he gets.

    It is only a matter of time before arrests begin. Who will be the first to roll over and testify? My money is on Mark Gillar.

  • Susan Reaney

    Amazing, He believes her, Yet he doesn’t give a $hit and then uses Christians to make his point? He really went from one extreme to the next, which won’t go over very well in the heartland. My guess is that this little Republican Congressman is on his way OUT the door…NOT because he agrees or disagrees but because of his condescending, I don’t give a $hit attitude towards the people he serves.

    • Jason Swenson

      The likelihood was that he said that he agreed with her only to appease her. Miki is not the most stable person in the world. His staff has made it clear that he is not a birther.

  • EZwriter

    Mullin’s communications director, Ashley Kehl, objected, saying we misheard the comments and that Mullin said “Honestly, I — don’t even give it to me.”

    ——
    Ashley? Really? That’s not honest of you.
    And as for Mullin he is waffling all over the place on this.

    • Reality Check

      These folks think we can’t even hear. Talk about living in a cocoon. Ashley is not a good liar.

  • Shagnasty1

    If it would ever actually be heard in a court of law instead of being dismissed because the judges are afraid of ruling on this and the Supreme Court decision from the 1800s was upheld ruling that a natural born citizen is a citizen with both parents that were citizens at the time of the person’s birth, not just one parent, then every law passed since Obama took office in January 2009 would be null & void. Furthermore people could go to jail for certifying his eligibility. Wouldn’t that be beautiful.

    • Jason Swenson

      How much birther BS can you put in one post?

    • HistorianDude

      Actually, at least 23 courts HAVE ruled on this. All have declared Obama to be a natural born US citizen. I’m happy to provide the string citation if you are interested,

      Second, no Supreme Court decision has ever held the “two citizen parent” theory., birther twisting of the Minor v. Happersett decision notwithstanding.

      Third, the “de facto officer doctrine” holds that even were Obama discovered tomorrow to be an alien pod person, every law passed under his watch, every executive order, every appointment and decision would remain fully in force as law.

      Fourth, while a number of birthers have ended up in jail (not for birthing, but generally just for being despicable people with a casual attitude towards following the law) no one is at risk of going to jail for verifying his eligibility. He is, after all, not only eligible. He is actually the President.

      • Jason Swenson

        what he said^

  • Chilidawg

    Birthers are still delusional, nasty, and stupid, I see.

    Same old, same old.

    • HistorianDude

      Carl in particular seems to be horrifyingly far along into a downward spiral of bilious frothing and odious loathing. I cannot help but imagine he’s starting to look like Gollum, too.

      • Toschano

        Wanna bet that we will be able to obtain Ted Cruz’s records? One
        question…who’s passport is Obama on when he went to Indonesia? The
        country was off limits and he wasn’t old enough to carry his own. Oh,
        that’s right, it isn’t open for scrutiny. In fact, none of his records
        are. I’m not a birther but I want to know…and if he wants universal
        background checks, I expect his to be #1 and open to us.

        • Jason Swenson

          Another birther lie. Pakistan was not on a no travel list.

          • Toschano

            Birther? No, no, but first, before you challenge the issue perhaps you should read what was written. Pat answers for situations that you can’t rationalize. Attack the speaker, don’t examine the facts.

          • Jason Swenson

            I read what was written, I didn’t call YOU a birther, I said what you posted was a birther lie, and it is.

          • Toschano

            Pakistan was never mentioned. Besides, he traveled there as an adult…Indonesia is the issue…the passports are the issue. If everything is a lie then please show where this is all refuted and disclosed.

          • Jason Swenson

            My apologies. I was too quick to read that.

          • Toschano

            Easy to overlook…there’s a hell of a lot to defend.

          • Jason Swenson

            There is nothing to defend

          • HistorianDude

            Indonesia has never been off limits for travel by Americans using a US passport.

        • HistorianDude

          Since you’re repeating yourself, so will I. You can’t even keep your birther bullsh*t straight. It’s Pakistan they claim was off limits, not Indonesia. Not that it matters, since neither Indonesia nor Pakistan have ever been off limits to Americans traveling on a US passport.

          Ever

  • Chilidawg

    Birthers!

  • Reality Check

    I see a certain vile commenter must have been kicked off Disqus. He will not be missed.

  • nogeeksadmin

    You voted for him, Oklahoma. Congrats, morons.

  • Nat Turner 1881

    It is funny how white stupid americans care more about the birth issue than jobs. SO WHAT ABOUT TED CRUZ.. DADDY A CASTRO CUBAN, MOTHER AMERICA TRASH, AND HE WAS BORN IN CANADA..SO WHAT DO YOU TRASH HAVE TO SAY ABOUT HIM? PLUS YOU TRASH ARE SO STUPID THAT BOEHNER AND MCCONNELL HAS STOPPED THIS COUNTRY TO MAKE 1 BLACK MAN, WITH A LIFELONG HEALTH PLAN, A FEDERAL PENSION FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE LOOK BAD. OBAMA could care less about what white trash thinks about him…all of us throws trash out and cares less about it. That is the same thoughts by this president. Half of the you trash are living on welfare from the government anyway. Got SSI disability checks coming and going to doctors on medicare, or Medicaid.. Because you trash fail to THINK, that with out all the FEDERAL PROGRAMS for health like medicare/Medicaid, your trash butts would be dead. NO rest homes because your kids care less and do not want to spend their money to care for you. Let the GOP repeal the healthcare act, and do away with SOCIAL SECURITY, BECAUSE, the most of you getting checks NOW, living pass 76 years of age, have drawn more from the program that you trash contributed to the program. wages were so low that deductions were about $2 to $5 dollars a week. But you trash are getting at least $900.00 monthly……THAT’S WELFARE!!!! IDIOTS!!

  • sequiturial

    Hilarious!!!

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