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December 17, 2014

‘Lying in Politics’ Plaintiffs Go on Offense in Several New States

The lead plaintiff in the “Can you lie in politics?” case going before the Supreme Court next week, anti-abortion group Susan B. Anthony List, says Ohio’s law against false campaign assertions will stifle that state’s midterm congressional debates.

The group is apparently not worried about a similarly chilling effect elsewhere – at least not in four races elsewhere in the country where it’s inserted itself in recent days.

Over the weekend, the SBA List said it has arranged to put space on billboards across three Southern states to lambaste a trio of incumbent Democratic senators in some of the closest Senate races of 2014: Kay Hagan of North Carolina, Mary L. Landrieu of Louisiana and Mark Pryor of Arkansas. Because all of them voted for the 2010 health care overhaul, each of them can fairly be described as supporting federal financing of abortion, the group says, and that will be the central message on the roadside signage.

The content of the ads, SBA List says, will be substantively the same as the billboard the group planned to erect in 2010 as part of its campaign to unseat Rep. Steve Driehaus after one term in the House. The group abandoned the plan after the Democratic congressman complained to the Ohio election board that the “vote for taxpayer-funded abortion” language violated the state’s false claims statute. Though he lost that fall, SBA List sued to get that law struck down as a violation of the First Amendment.

The Supreme Court, after arguments on April 22, will decide if that lawsuit has enough merit to continue or should be thrown out  because Ohio election officials dropped their interest in the Driehaus complaint long  ago.

“Since 2010, we have fought for our right to tell the truth about the abortion funding problems in Obamacare and expose the legislators who supported it,” said SBA List President Marjorie Dannenfelser.  “The U.S. Supreme Court will consider our right to do just that later this month. In the meantime, we cannot be silent. Our founders braved the threat of the gallows so that we would not have to fear speaking our true convictions.”

SBA List says it’s on solid ground in equating a vote for Obamacare with support for taxpayer-paid abortions, but that a state agency has no business adjudicating the accuracy of the claim.

There is no Senate race in Ohio this year, and only two of the 16 House districts are remotely competitive. Both seats are held by Republicans, David Joyce and Bill Johnson, who were not in office when the health law was enacted.

SBA List is investing in this year’s next congressional race – a special Republican primary in Florida on April 22 (the same day as the oral arguments at the court) that will almost surely determine who will succeed Trey Radel, who resigned his House seat after admitting to cocaine possession. The group is spending $50,000 to get out the anti-abortion vote in favor of state Senate Majority Leader Lizbeth Benacquisto.  Her opponents are businessman Curt Clawson and former state Rep. Paige Kreegel.

  • Nicholas DeLuca

    So the SBA wants to tell lies but not be accountable for doing so. What an absurd and reprehensible idea . Has the anti-abortion movement no shame ?

    • unStunned

      No. No shame at all. Lying is stock-in-trade for the anti-abortion crowd.

      • left wing

        no, LYING is the stock in trade for the insane left wing child killers.

        • Nicholas DeLuca

          left wing….”leftwing child killers” that is a worn out anti-abortion cliché. Abortion is legal in the USA. Murder is not. Abortion and murder are not the same thing.

          • Rick Shaftan

            It’s not?

          • Nicholas DeLuca

            Rick… of course Abortion is mot murder. Abortions are legal in the US. Something that is legal is not a crime. Murder is a crime. What don’t you understand about the difference. ? You most certainly can be opposed to abortion that is your right. But because you object to it does not make abortion a crime.

          • Rick Shaftan

            So what Hitler did wasn’t murder either? I mean it was legal.

          • Nicholas DeLuca

            absurd analogy . This is the USA, it is 2014. !

          • BobbyRomano

            Are you crazy? MURDER IS MURDER!!!!!

          • Nicholas DeLuca

            Bobby R. No matter how much you try to equate the two, it is simply a fact in law and common practice , abortion is legal in the USA. Murder is crime in the USA.
            Apparently the anti-abortion zealots can not accept that fact. You are absolutely free to not have an abortion. That is your business. You simply need to mind your own business .

    • ShadrachSmith

      At least they don’t want to shoot ranchers.

      And all we need is a panel of journalists deciding which political ad is acceptable. Shall we call it the Ministry of Truth?

      • stevenharnack

        Actually they don’t care if ranchers get shot, or children get shot, or anyone else, their concern ends at birth. Think they’d complain if that got put on a billboard?

        • Nicholas DeLuca

          Delusional Far Right ignorance and anger.

          • Cliff Hutchison

            You forgot “racism”. Don’t leave that out of a cut-and-paste stereotypical insult.

          • Nicholas DeLuca

            Racism is not involved. It is ignorance, intolerance and anger that are involved.

      • Nicholas DeLuca

        Shadrach; I find it most puzzling that a rancher who has illegally pastured his cattle on government land for many years and has welched on the public by failing to pay the legal rent due, has all of a sudden become a hero. He is a law breaker, he is a deadbeat and you make him a hero !
        If you are angry at the govt. at least pick some one who is not a law breaker and scofflaw to champion.
        Do you not believe in law and order ? Do you not believe
        that laws should not be enforced ? I bet you want to arrest and deport illegal aliens.
        The far right is destroying our country !

        • ShadrachSmith

          I take your point. Bundy doesn’t have a legal leg to stand on. I get it. Bundy does, however, have a strong moral case to continue his family ranch when he is doing no man any harm.

          I take your point. The Feds can shoot Bundy any time they want and be enforcing ‘the law’ as they do it. Do I have a point in observing that the Feds acted with deadly force and willful destruction against the most harmless of ‘enemy’s'? Do you see the authoritarian intimidation of harmless citizens by nameless armed bureaucrats as an unwelcome addition to our national experience?

          Should we take the guns away from the bureaucrats, or the people?

          Am I getting through to you, at all?

          • Nicholas DeLuca

            Shadrach….. When government at any level intervenes to enforce the law, whether it be the local animal enforcement officer or the FBI , the government is exerting its power over individuals. We gave that power of enforcement in the Constitution, State Constitutions, local laws and rules and regulations. That is what ” consent of the governed ” means. It is part of the social contract. We develop the rules, regulations, laws etc through the legislative process and enforce them through the judicial process. We, by accepting citizenship, pledge to obey the laws. If we do not, the govt. acts on the behalf of society . To not do so will result in chaos and anarchy. If you don’t like the rules you can use the legislative and judicial process to change them.
            I think your evaluation of the confrontation very much overstates the point regarding the “potential” use of deadly force by the Feds.
            IMO, the crowd that gathered came looking for trouble. They saw this as an opportunity to confront the Fed. Govt. and the Obama Administration . They saw it as an opportunity to take out their anger and frustration.
            There were numerous folks there who were not interested in reducing the tension but instead keep it stirred up.
            There was no “arbitrary and instant imposition of the death penalty against trespassers on public land” . “Instant Death penalty “? C,mon ! It was an angry mob intent on protecting a lawbreaker and scofflaw.

          • ShadrachSmith

            Government is either a tool of the people to enforce their inalienable natural rights to life, liberty and happiness, or it is a master who can define our rights as it will.

            We see that point differently, I go with Madison, and you go with Lenin. Your choice is not my fault. I see a government out of control serving no purpose but its own, and you see the rightful masters enforcing discipline on the untrainable.

            This difference is why you are not in the Tea Party. We just have different goals :-)

          • Nicholas DeLuca

            agreed.

          • left wing

            keep your police state enabling and your lies nick, it is all the insane left has.

          • Nicholas DeLuca

            leftwing… “police state” is just another of the tired, angry, delusional clichés of the far Right.

        • left wing

          no, nick as an insane lefty who never thinks and supports a police state, it is YOU destroying the country.

          • Nicholas DeLuca

            leftwing….. the Far right is promoting anarchy by supporting the notion that citizens do not have to obey the law if they find it contrary to their beliefs. That mistaken belief based purely on Far Right Fantasy is destroying our Nation. Ignorance and anger are destructive things.

      • Cliff Hutchison

        A “Ministry of Truth” is exactly what they have set up in Ohio, and if the Supreme Court fails to uphold the freedom of the press and freedom of speech in this case, there will be “Ministries of Truth” popping up in many more states.

        The real question is not “who can lie in politics?” but “who decides what is true?” Will it be a relatively small group of government bureaucrats or people free to think without the censorship of government?

        Do we want more and more “gag rules” imposed on us, on more and more subjects?

        Do we want censorship of speech or freedom of speech?

        That’s the real choice here. Just don’t complain about what happens in the coming years if you choose censorship over freedom.

    • NavyBlue1962

      What’s truly reprehensible is that your mother didn’t have an abortion.

      • Nicholas DeLuca

        What is truly reprehensible , is the absence of thoughtful civil discourse .

        • NavyBlue1962

          What is truly reprehensible is that you think you have an IQ over 30.

          • Nicholas DeLuca

            A silly, stupid comment .

          • left wing

            yes, your comment is silly and stupid like all your other spam.

    • Cliff Hutchison

      Who decides what is a lie? Does the Ohio government agency decide what is a lie and impose censorship on speech and the press?

      You might like censorship against your political foes, but it will eventually come full circle and censorship will be placed on you or your political allies. Think before you just repeat what you hear.

      • Nicholas DeLuca

        Cliff…The SBA seems to me to be asking for dispensation from being held accountable for what they say in their political advertisements.Why should they be held harmless and others not ? Accountability is not censorship.

        “Ministry of Truth” That is a delusional interpretation of reality. Perhaps you might want to think it out again !

        • Cliff Hutchison

          Should some government agency “hold you accountable” for what you write in this comment section?

          “Being held accountable” is a euphemism when what really happens is a government agency forces a commercial off the air because the agents consider it to be untrue.

          Answer this one question, since you didn’t answer it yet — Who decides what is a lie?

          • Nicholas DeLuca

            Cliff….. Can you give me an example of government censorship as you describe ?
            We are in fact a nation of laws . The laws are subject to being tested in the judicial system. If one takes issue with a decision of a government agency decision, one can appeal the decision to the Courts. That is in fact what the SBA is doing. Will you accept and honor the Courts decision if it rules against the SBA ?
            In the absence of law and order is chaos and anarchy.Is that what you are advocating ?

          • left wing

            we became a nation of no laws when obama the corrupt entered the wh.

        • left wing

          it is you LYING nick and protesting when YOU LIE.

          • Nicholas DeLuca

            You are delusional

    • left wing

      no, it is the left like you that LIE and then claim someone else did it. a two year old has more ethics than YOU

      • Nicholas DeLuca

        Good grief !

  • http://americansforpetraeus2012.org johnnyangel10

    Like the responder below me, this piece was deceptively titled to arouse the “thinkers” to action. Unfortunately, they are narrow minded and don’t know what is really happening to the country they inhabit. Get on the peace train and don’t rock the boat, new totalitarian dupes !!

  • Andre Leonard

    All of politics must be a lie if you can take an oath to protect the Constitution, then turn around and spend the country into the ground by ignoring/raising debt ceilings and allowing the country to be flooded with 15 million illegal aliens.

    There seems to be no honor in anyone. Even killing life in the womb is sanctioned.

    • stevenharnack

      Show me the part of the Constitution that deals with “debt ceilings” or “illegal aliens”, considering that all that you had to do then was to get here. It’s not hard to tell who the real liars are, most everything they say has big holes in it, just like your comment.

      • Andre Leonard

        I rather like reasoning like yours. It assures we will never progress and things will continue to spiral downhill. Mediocrity will continue to rein supreme.

        Sorry I don’t show or give directions on where being a good steward or guardian of the publics trust lies in the Constitution. It’s taken for granted that common sense prevails. But often there are those who disagree, much like yourself.

        Good comment. Good day..

      • left wing

        yes, steve, you and your messiah, obama the liar in chief LIE

    • Nicholas DeLuca

      Actually there is honor and truth. Unfortunately the Far Right has constructed a parallel universe where truth is replaced by lies. Where honor is turned on its head and given to lawbreakers an scofflaws e.g. the Nevada Rancher .Where data is denied . Where the Susan B. Anthony List wants the Supreme Court to make it legal for them to lie in their political ads. C’mon, that is incredible.

      • left wing

        the usual lefty LIE, claiming the right LIES when it is the insane left that never tells anything but lies. NICK, YOU LIE.

  • ShadrachSmith

    Has Obama ever told the truth?

    • left wing

      NO

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  • YONATAN C

    It’s now been almost five months, since the more than two million unemployed workers have been without unemployment benefits. Since late last December, when these families ran out of their benefits, they have been waiting and struggling patiently for the senate to pass the unemployment extension bill. However, due to the Republicans constant rejections and stalling tactics, the much needed bill has not yet been passed. While these politicians continued to play their ‘party politics”, these millions of families have had to face evictions, home foreclosures, personal bankruptcies, and homelessness. These workers have been destroyed financially and emotionally, and the Republican party is to blame for this, due to their reluctance to accept any of the proposals brought to them by the Democrats. Since the past several months, whenever the bill was to be discussed and voted upon, time and time again , the senate took another break or vacation, leaving these poor Americans hung out to dry a little longer waiting for help that doesn’t come. This was the first time in many years that the senate did not pass an extension bill. Their refusal this year to pass an extension bill can only be explained because of their deliberate and calculated plan to make the democrats, and particularly president Obama to look bad, and not be successful in the people’s eyes. These Republicans have shown us that their own political agenda is much more important to them than the needs of the people for whom they serve. While senators such as John Boehner expressed their concerns about fiscal responsibility , and budget concerns, the congress just has passed a foreign aid package worth Billions for the Ukraine. Why was this passed without much fanfare or debate, while poor unemployed families who are becoming more and more destitute with each more senate delay of the extension bill? Where are the Republicans “family values’ which they like to so often claim to be the party that represents family values? The Republicans will surely find out in the 2016 elections just how foolish their decision has been not to help these millions of workers.

    • left wing

      more spam and lies from the insane lefty paid troll

  • Matt D.

    If democratic processes are to help preserve liberty, prosperity, and civilization, then liberty’s preservation must be the primary objective of the citizens’ elected agents.

  • Water Dude

    When we exercise our liberty and enjoy the fruits of success, we also become morally responsible for directly associated failures.

  • Oscar’s Wilde

    Since we learn from others’ experience, we should ensure that everyone has the liberty to learn and apply their knowledge as best they can.

  • Montesquieu

    While to some the word liberty means that we are free to do as we please with ourselves and the fruits of our labor, to others it implies the power to coerce in the name of “fairness” and plunder in the name of “equality”.

  • Buro Cratz

    Natural selection applies to cultures in the sense that those cultures best able to compete and adapt are those that survive and thrive.

  • Manny Bartow

    Contrary to the odd notion that lawmakers create prosperity, there is nothing of the law that enables prosperity other than its use to prevent governments from repressing liberty with the leaden threads of centralized control.

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